chazzy2501 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 If I were to purchase PCs without an OS is there a cheap way to get them through Microsoft? I already have open value sub but as we know it is only an upgrade licence. In my case 67 PCs (just spit balling ideas probably better just to get a PC with an OS)
Arthur Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 probably better just to get a PC with an OS It is. All volume licenses are upgrades, so you will definitely need to buy the PCs with Windows already on them. You could save a bit of money by getting Windows 7 Home Premium instead of Professional however. 1
chazzy2501 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Posted June 13, 2012 Drat, I thought there was a subscription for un OSed machines.
jamesreedersmith Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 do none of your suppliers have any cheap copies of vista/xp/7 home something they can let you have??
Haptic Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 The only time you won't is if you have existing machines that have OEM licenses on that are transferable licenses - if you are getting rid of the old PC's you can transfer the license from the old PC's to the new ones and then use your volume licensing to upgrade to the OS you require. It can be a minefield...... Hope that makes sense! Chris
FN-GM Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) The only time you won't is if you have existing machines that have OEM licenses on that are transferable licenses - if you are getting rid of the old PC's you can transfer the license from the old PC's to the new ones and then use your volume licensing to upgrade to the OS you require. It can be a minefield...... Hope that makes sense! Chris @CPLTD Sorry but you are wrong you cant do that with any OEM licenses only the retail ones... Edited June 13, 2012 by FN-GM 1
Haptic Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Apologies an OEM license lives and dies on the machine whereas the retail product can be transferred. Long day so far and I knew what I meant Thanks for the correction @FN-GM Chris
Millgate Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 @CPLTD Sorry but you are wrong you cant do that with any OEM licenses only the retail ones... This is correct. OEM Live and die with the machine so you would have to buy 67 versions of an OS to put on before upgrading. @Arthur is right though, you can buy Home Premium to make is cheaper
sted Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) with vlk always being an upgrade lic is it actually worth in the longrun esp if you do diy builds buying retail lics that way you can transfer them to new pcs as bought costs now but in x years time when you replace the pcs the new pcs can use their licenses? Edited June 13, 2012 by sted
FN-GM Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Also just to add, the OEM license lives with the motherboard not the case. I have seen people build new machines but keep old cases just for the oem license.
Arthur Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 the OEM license lives with the motherboard not the case. Also worth mentioning... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC. The replacement motherboard must be the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by that manufacturer's warranty. (Source)
chrisredfield93 Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Also worth mentioning... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC. The replacement motherboard must be the same make/model or the same manufacturer's replacement/equivalent, as defined by that manufacturer's warranty. (Source) Does this mean that for my custom build computer and using an oem windows, that i can not upgrade the motherboard? or replace it if a onboard fault occurs?
CyberNerd Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Also just to add, the OEM license lives with the motherboard not the case. I have seen people build new machines but keep old cases just for the oem license. what if the motherboard is a virtual machine?
nicholab Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Basically ms licence are over priced if you got a licence you should be free to use it how you which. 1
FN-GM Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Does this mean that for my custom build computer and using an oem windows, that i can not upgrade the motherboard? or replace it if a onboard fault occurs? If it is faulty it can be replaced with the same type but you cant upgrade. what if the motherboard is a virtual machine? No idea
Arthur Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Does this mean that for my custom build computer and using an oem windows, that I can not upgrade the motherboard or replace it if a onboard fault occurs? There's nothing stopping you from upgrading the motherboard, but technically you would need to buy a new Windows license. I am sure MS doesn't care that much about home users transferring OEM licenses between PCs, but schools would be a different matter. As FN-GM said, if your motherboard was replaced under warranty you would be fine even if it was a different model.
Arthur Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 what if the motherboard is a virtual machine? As with most Microsoft licensing, the answer is that it depends. Licensing Windows 7 for Use with Virtual Machines Windows 7 licensing and virtual machines clarified Customers who purchase Software Assurance on the OS to get downgrade rights also get another option ”the right to run four VMs on their desktop computers as long as they continue to pay SA". Note that use of Windows 7 Enterprise edition, in contrast, is a perpetual right ”customers do not need to remove it from a PC even if they later let their SA subscription lapse". Like XP Mode, these VMs can be used to run XP in a VM, but the VM entitlement under SA offers more flexibility than XP Mode, which runs on a special Windows 7-only version of Virtual PC. The four-VM entitlement was also offered with SA on Vista, but with a catch: the OS that hosted the VMs had to be Vista Enterprise; it could not be Windows XP or even Vista Business. That rule has been relaxed with Windows 7: customers can use any OS for which they have downgrade rights to host the four VMs to which SA entitles them. As a result, a customer with SA on Windows 7 can elect to run Windows XP as the primary OS on the computer while running Vista or Windows 7 in VMs on the machine. (Source) http://i.imgur.com/hbB5z.png http://i.imgur.com/6dMfm.png
CyberNerd Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 ^ more confused than I was. I guess EES or perpetual select academic plus with VDA license means it's ok.
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