CyberNerd Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Not to get into a constant to and fro but as I see it at the moment there are a few kind of educational IT guys out there- ...snip... You missed out the radical bunch of us that thrive on implementing exciting and cost effective technology for the benefits of our school; be it based on Vmware,Google,Linux,MS,Cloud,Solaris or whatever.
SYNACK Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 You missed out the radical bunch of us that thrive on implementing exciting and cost effective technology for the benefits of our school; be it based on Vmware,Google,Linux,MS,Cloud,Solaris or whatever. I don't think he did, he just framed it differently. It does basicly come down to those choices (fluffy cloud nonsence or not) and it depends on the skillset of the technical people and the current types of software and user skillset in place as to which of the options is the most exciting and cost effective (usually not in that order). Just because a certain bot of software is free does not instantly make it the most cost effective or correct choice for every situation.
jamesfed Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 You missed out the radical bunch of us that thrive on implementing exciting and cost effective technology for the benefits of our school; be it based on Vmware,Google,Linux,MS,Cloud,Solaris or whatever. While I sit back in my easy chair with Lync 2010 UC deployed, Live@Edu for students, onsite exchange 2010 for staff, a TMG 2010 powered VPN for staff, UAG portal with HAP+ and RDS gateway not to mention Citrix VDI-in-a-Box and App-V........caus I'm such a un radical person *halo*
Domino Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I'll chime in here, Hyper-V is epic easy and has memory overcommit etc., Dynamic memory != memory overcommit
SYNACK Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Dynamic memory != memory overcommit Woops, bad wording but it does have dynamic, my brain obviously wandered off without permission again.
PotNoodleTech Posted March 9, 2012 Author Posted March 9, 2012 Hey guys - no need to fight!!!! As specified I am only looking at VMWare and HyperV and the pros and cons of the two. Thanks
TheScarfedOne Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Right.... gloves off - round 1! Only kidding. Im in the Hyper V camp - purely because you can do all the Live Migrate stuff and clustering, service monitoring, auto failover for free in Server 08 R2 HyperV. Previously, VMWare had a monopoly on the live migrate stuff, with preferred hosts etc - but not any more. I designed my environment last summer and its already been tested a few times with power ups failures etc. It works really nicely. And for those that say about HyperV hosts being a full OS - start using Server Core for those servers. I do for DCs, and any others which don't need a full GUI that I can manage with the remote tools. Need any more info/advice - PM me or comment and I will trry and keep an eye here. Stuart
CyberNerd Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Hey guys - no need to fight!!!! As specified I am only looking at VMWare and HyperV and the pros and cons of the two. Thanks We were in exactly your position - using ESXi for free and I went with vmware essentials because it would have been less disruptive and did what we needed, without needing to learn anything - just add a serial number. Now I need to look at VDI and increase number of servers realise that VMWare essentials, Xen and hyper-v come a pretty poor second place to KVM. Hence I mentioned it. If you want to limit your options then that is your prerogative, I'm sure whatever you choose you will be happy with.
3s-gtech Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 HP and AMD everytime None of this Intel rubbish with us! Ha same with us! HP DL385 G5P (Opteron quad) as my only VM host, 5 VMs on it currently. Only 20GB of RAM so ESXi 5 will be fine when I upgrade to it from 4.1. I know ESXi has its flaws, but it has been extremely easy to setup, backup and administer. I'm seriously interested in Hyper-V licensing to be able to easily license a large number of converted physical servers across in the future though, what sort of price is it? (we're on OVS-ES/EES).
jamesfed Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Point to note that the licensing does apply for other VM OSes but all the same Id go with Hyper-V Think we paid about £60 for each datacentre lic.
SYNACK Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 We were in exactly your position - using ESXi for free and I went with vmware essentials because it would have been less disruptive and did what we needed, without needing to learn anything - just add a serial number. Now I need to look at VDI and increase number of servers realise that VMWare essentials, Xen and hyper-v come a pretty poor second place to KVM. Hence I mentioned it. If you want to limit your options then that is your prerogative, I'm sure whatever you choose you will be happy with. You don't drive a school bus as your daily driver just incase you find out you have 50 kids though, right tool for the right job at the time. Migrating from one to the other is not all that hard as long as you plan for it.
Rozzer Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 I have been using Hyper-V for 2 years now and its been really reliable. The failover isn't perfect but that maybe down to my setup. I also think Dynamic Memory is perfect yet but same again maybe my setup. I have found DPM 2010 for backing up VMS and restoring absolutely brilliant as a backup product. I have used Symantec for many years and find DPM a breath of fresh air! Also Virtual Machine manager is pretty handy and works well. I look forward to 2012 edition going final. Ross
heihei Posted March 15, 2012 Posted March 15, 2012 Dynamic memory != memory overcommit I don't think he did, he just framed it differently.
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