mattx Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 ...the terrible referee in the England / Wales game. Some of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time - on both sides. Fantastic game ruined by a pratt who has no idea of the rules of the game.
elsiegee40 Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Maybe... but Wales won and that's what's important 4
glennda Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Wales did win but the country is somewhat of the hole as it is normally described out. For a International match i cannot believe how much was got away with. Near enough every line out was not straight (on both sides). Every scrum was fed (again on both sides) and at least 8 forward passes missed (again on both sides) and a deliberate knock on from wales when tackling Farrell which stopped the pass which would have led to a try.. plus we scored at the end
mattx Posted February 25, 2012 Author Posted February 25, 2012 That ref has been in at the front of other crap decisions but still they keep giving him games. I saw [ and so did the BBC commentators] deliberate scrum collapses, not releasing after a tackle, holding and countless other offences - he should be removed ASAP from other fixtures as he clearly has no eye of the game at all. And what moron made the decision at the end that it was no try ?!?! What an idiot. Wales still would have won as Flood would not have got that over.
captaincharisma Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 I am no Rugby fan, and am pretty clueless when it comes to the rules but how that last try wasnt giving I will never know! The replay from behind the try line clearly showed the ball touch the floor before anyone got their hands underneath.
elsiegee40 Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 ... The replay from behind the try line clearly showed the ball touch the floor before anyone got their hands underneath. Did it? I watched the replays (and there were many) and I saw the back of the player's hand touch the ground, but it was not clear whether the ball did. This is one decision I do agree with; "Inconclusive" which means the try could not be awarded. 1
Dos_Box Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Still, at least he wasn't a tory toff eh? That'd really have Matt foaming at the mouth!
garethEds Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Steve Walsh has courted a lot of controversy over the years and at one point was removed as ref. I know it's from wikipedia but here is some information: Steve Walsh (rugby referee) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Interesting to see England player moaning: Disappointed England wing David Strettle questions officials after RBS Six Nations match with Wales - Mirror Online Move on. Game over. It happens sometimes. GJE
pooley Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Get over it, Steve Walsh is carp for both teams. Wales won today even though they weren't anywhere near their best. Defences were very good today but experience and class showed through Edited February 27, 2012 by witch
mattx Posted February 25, 2012 Author Posted February 25, 2012 Still, at least he wasn't a tory toff eh? That'd really have Matt foaming at the mouth! Can you get Kiwi Toffs ?
teejay Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 Even though England lost and with a better referee they would've won, that was a fantastic game
garethEds Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 Even though England lost and with a better referee they would've won, that was a fantastic game Oh come on - it wasn't a try. A sheer moment of brilliance from Scott Williams left England in the dirt. England never looked like winning and didn't look like scoring a try. England forwards were pushed around the park. 'Smashed' as JOnathan Davies said last week ;-) Gareth
witch Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Even though England lost and with a better referee they would've won, that was a fantastic game Sorry, but that is rubbish - Wales won fair and square - duff referee notwithstanding
rich_tech Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 When I saw Steve Walsh reffing, I thought it was going to be a poor game overall, he was actually bad to both sides, as @garethedmondson rightly said, hes been in trouble a lot of times and stopped from refereeing before yet wormed his way back in (only one worse than him is Allain Rowland - we all know thats another story though as far as wales are concerned). It wasn't a great game by any means, but I am glad we won, triple crown won at "Twickers" is probably one of our best achievements in recent years, its not an easy place to win ever, nevermind a triple crown, Scott Williams did exceptionally well ripping the ball off Lawes and running that superb try which went against the run of play completely. Regarding that supposed final try, I am sure I heard the commentating team state that if there is any doubt they simply cannot award it, dont know if thats a rule or not, but its obvious from what we all saw that no one could be 100% on whether its a try or not, regardless of national bias. That being said, I would really be happy if the IRB could sort out the absolute "nonsense" ways they have referees controlling scrums these days, it makes for an absolute farce when the scrum is just turned into a "penalty machine" for teams, like happened with France/Scotland yesterday, Wayne Barnes at times was absolutely ridiculously slow getting the scrum off, to the point where he was awarding penalties and free kicks because of problems he created dragging out the starts of scrums for most of the match.
mattx Posted February 27, 2012 Author Posted February 27, 2012 When I saw Steve Walsh reffing, I thought it was going to be a poor game overall, he was actually bad to both sides, as @garethedmondson rightly said, hes been in trouble a lot of times and stopped from refereeing before yet wormed his way back in (only one worse than him is Allain Rowland - we all know thats another story though as far as wales are concerned). It wasn't a great game by any means, but I am glad we won, triple crown won at "Twickers" is probably one of our best achievements in recent years, its not an easy place to win ever, nevermind a triple crown, Scott Williams did exceptionally well ripping the ball off Lawes and running that superb try which went against the run of play completely. Regarding that supposed final try, I am sure I heard the commentating team state that if there is any doubt they simply cannot award it, dont know if thats a rule or not, but its obvious from what we all saw that no one could be 100% on whether its a try or not, regardless of national bias. That being said, I would really be happy if the IRB could sort out the absolute "nonsense" ways they have referees controlling scrums these days, it makes for an absolute farce when the scrum is just turned into a "penalty machine" for teams, like happened with France/Scotland yesterday, Wayne Barnes at times was absolutely ridiculously slow getting the scrum off, to the point where he was awarding penalties and free kicks because of problems he created dragging out the starts of scrums for most of the match. Barnes is normally quite good but I think he did have an off day yesterday - even so, I did prefer the Scotland game to the England game. I just cannot work out why the scots were so slow at getting the ball from the ruck - if they had I'm sure it would have been another result. I agree 100% with the scrum statement - the scrums yesterday were a farce. I think it was the second half when the first 'good' one actually took. God knows why Walsh is still in the game - he is a disgrace to the sport. They should ship him over to Japan. Well done Wales, yes I'm gutted being a massive England fan but I think the match [ apart from Walsh ] was an overall good advert for the game. Hardy any handbags too which was surprising for an England / Wales game !!
rich_tech Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Wales were terrible at getting the ball out fast, same for most of these teams, what I don't get comparing us to someone like New Zealand/Australia, when they play anyone who is at the back of a ruck or maul will get the ball out fast as possible, be it prop, flanker or center, whereas we all have to wait and rely on the scrum half to get the ball out, it slows us up no end, the tempo was bad for the games because of this, when its slow the defending team has enough time to regroup ready. Myself from playing front row at club level until a few years ago hate what scrums have become now, you can tell with referees in particular that a lot of them have never played within the front 5 at any point from school onwards, rules wise in some respects their safer than before, but theres just too much messing around with the start of a scrum now from my point of view. I looked at Barnes, because when he reffed us the other week, he was quite poor with managing the scrum restarts and he was bad for it yesterday, at times he dealt with scotland quite harshly, considering they changed front row players and he just went about ordering penalties and free kicks without resetting, Barnes is bad for me because he actually drags out the whole 4 stages at times - the "sit, touch, pause and engage" sometimes lingering over the engage to give penalties and free kicks away because the physics of a scrum. When your leaning forward ready to engage, you cant necessarily control the weight from behind and prevent yourself going forward at that point, because your balance relies on being in contact with the person opposite in the front row. I would like now to see referees going back to resetting scrums until they get things right rather than looking to award penalties/free kicks at the first instance, it will become a pointless restart otherwise like rugby league. Edited February 27, 2012 by rich_tech
elsiegee40 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Regarding that supposed final try, I am sure I heard the commentating team state that if there is any doubt they simply cannot award it, dont know if thats a rule or not, but its obvious from what we all saw that no one could be 100% on whether its a try or not, regardless of national bias. "If there is doubt about which team first grounded the ball in the in-goal, play is re-started by a 5-metre scrum, in line with the place where the ball was grounded. The attacking team throws in the ball.", i.e. the try is not awarded. Regulation 22.15 The ball became dead when it went over the line after the elapsed match time "The ball becomes dead when the referee would have awarded a scrum, lineout, an option to the non-infringing team, drop out or after a conversion or successful penalty kick at goal." Regulation 5.7(e), so there was no scrum and the match was ended. ...Hardly any handbags too which was surprising for an England / Wales game !! I agree
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