Popular Post mattx Posted October 31, 2011 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2011 What is it with the C of E ? They should be supporting the protesters who want a better and fairer society for all but instead side with the the corrupt and greedy bankers who started this all off. The very corrupt and greedy bankers who were bailed out by the likes of YOU and ME who now have awarded themselves 50% pay increases whislt we constanlty look over our sholders in regards to our jobs and well being. There is something seriously wrong with society......... Bring this country down to it's knees by dodgy and corrupt dealings but pitch a tent in a public place and OH GOD NO !! - we can't have that !!!! I'm backing the protesters on this one. 6
Dos_Box Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 ...better and fairer society for all but instead side with the the corrupt and greedy.... Given the past (and sometimes present) history of almost all organised religions I will assume you are being ironic in all descriptions you have used.
sted Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Given the past (and sometimes present) history of almost all organised religions I will assume you are being ironic in all descriptions you have used. Aye isnt cofe biggest landowners in the country and when buying a house they have to check if there is anual money owed to them from deeds dating back centuries
localzuk Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Not a fan of the hypocrisy that's rife within the various camps around the world, but their cause is a good one. I'm not even slightly shocked at the way the CofE is behaving, I've had some dealings with them in the past and they were not a good organisation to deal with! I dunno, maybe the people within the church should read this book called 'The Bible' which has something to say about moneylenders and that sort of thing...
witch Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Cause is a good one but pitching tents for the day and just leaving them is not good. And some of the protestors are the usual rent-an-anarchist. What exactly do they intend to achieve? Yes they are against capitalism and bankers etc - but what are they doing about it? St Pauls did overreact but TBF two of their officials have resigned due to their mishandling which is more than the corrupt bankers or politicians usually do 2
stevenlong1985 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I would like to see the banks have regulation again, deregulation is what caused the financial melt down in the first place. you know there is so much Debt in the world, that if all the countries in the world gave the money back to the banks and there was no currency in circulation , it still wouldn't be enough to pay off the debt
X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I dunno, maybe the people within the church should read this book called 'The Bible' which has something to say about moneylenders and that sort of thing... WWJD If the bible is anything to go by... He'd be cracking some skulls.
elsiegee40 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 What is it with the C of E ? They should be supporting the protesters who want a better and fairer society for all but instead side with the the corrupt and greedy bankers who started this all off. The very corrupt and greedy bankers who were bailed out by the likes of YOU and ME who now have awarded themselves 50% pay increases whislt we constanlty look over our sholders in regards to our jobs and well being. There is something seriously wrong with society......... Bring this country down to it's knees by dodgy and corrupt dealings but pitch a tent in a public place and OH GOD NO !! - we can't have that !!!! I'm backing the protesters on this one. I hate to say it, but St Paul's is in the heart of the City of London and those Bankers work in their parish and, no doubt, donate generously to the upkeep of the cathedral. Cause is a good one but pitching tents for the day and just leaving them is not good. And some of the protestors are the usual rent-an-anarchist. What exactly do they intend to achieve? Yes they are against capitalism and bankers etc - but what are they doing about it? St Pauls did overreact but TBF two of their officials have resigned due to their mishandling which is more than the corrupt bankers or politicians usually do I agree.
pcstru Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 you know there is so much Debt in the world, that if all the countries in the world gave the money back to the banks and there was no currency in circulation , it still wouldn't be enough to pay off the debt Information is Beautiful helps give a sense of the scale of the debt. 3
witch Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 having seen the guy who resigned yesterday commenting that the protestors were automatically presuming that he wasnt on their side, I thought he had a very fair point.
sonofsanta Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Church of England supporting the system and upholding the state? A Church set up by a land-hungry English King for his own ends? In a religion based on a 400 year old translation designed entirely to uphold the status quo and ensure that the proletariat quietly accept their lot in the hopes of a better afterlife? Shocker! It's been said many times in many ways: belief is fine but religion is wrong. 3
CAM Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 By what I have seen, the church has been supporting the protestors. People have been arguing why there is a debate on their door step but they have been staying out of it. The kicking out smells like political interference TBH which in turn creates a distraction for the protestors by directing their anger at the church. 1
stevenlong1985 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 BBC News - St Paul's will not take legal action against protest camp BOOOM!!!!!
Rawns Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Aye isnt cofe biggest landowners in the country and when buying a house they have to check if there is anual money owed to them from deeds dating back centuries You mean the Steeple insurance (I think it's called?)? We had to pay for this on our flat! I was SOOOOOOOOO livid about this! For those of you who don't know, if your house falls into the old "parish" boundary of a nearby church, and it needs church/steeple renovation, they have full right to ask every homeowner within the parish boundry to give money towards repair. Hence, insurance in case this happens. Chancel repair couple sell property at auction | Money | guardian.co.uk
localzuk Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 You mean the Steeple insurance (I think it's called?)? We had to pay for this on our flat! I was SOOOOOOOOO livid about this! For those of you who don't know, if your house falls into the old "parish" boundary of a nearby church, and it needs church/steeple renovation, they have full right to ask every homeowner within the parish boundry to give money towards repair. Hence, insurance in case this happens. Chancel repair couple sell property at auction | Money | guardian.co.uk I'm really surprised that that law is legal and in line with modern Human Rights laws. For example, would a Muslim have to pay for a Christian church repair? That isn't allowing them freedom of religion...
jinnantonnixx Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 ...... and it needs church/steeple renovation, they have full right to ask every homeowner within the parish boundry to give money towards repair. Hence, insurance in case this happens. They can ask. But you should have the full right to tell them to get stuffed.
aerospacemango Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I believe I'm right in saying that the Cathedral Board of St Pauls has a number of members who are from the Corporation of London.... The words "interest" "conflict" and "of" spring to mind, but in no particular order........... Therefore, as much as the Dean, or whoever, doesn't MIND the protesters being on Church grounds, the Board may, and almost certainly WILL, have other ideas...
GrumbleDook Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 People can argue conflict of interests for pretty much everything though ... CofE, The Royal Family and the State. Any firm which markets based on Fair Trade products which have a *large* mark up. BT being involved in any security conversation around Telcos Even in EG you could argue that some members have conflicts due to who they work for (commercial firms, LAs, rival schools, etc) Most schools have to deal with this on a daily basis with parents who are teachers, staff and parents who are governors ... The idea of separation of roles is nothing new and is done to varying degrees. On one side you want people with expertise, passion and belief in what you are doing, but also have to accept that you have to trust them to be honest and open, and to separate their duties. Then again, it is like anything else when people want to argue a particular point or justify something, you can always fine a point to argue. I am sure that with half a brain we could come up with wonderful examples about how many of the protestors here that they have conflicts of interests, hidden motives and so on and so forth. You could even make it an exercise in how to have a debate. Get two people to argue both sides, they stick it down on paper and we have to guess which person really is pro-protest and which anti-protest. ***edit*** And yes... this is why fence sitting is a wonderful hobby.
X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 And yes... this is why fence sitting is a wonderful hobby. Wonderful, maybe. But I couldn't deal with the splinters in the backside.
pcstru Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Wonderful, maybe. But I couldn't deal with the splinters in the backside. Is that like Railings against injustice.
X-13 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 On the subject of religion being forced on people... [ATTACH=CONFIG]11867[/ATTACH] Click for full size. 1
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