Pashers Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 If you're interested in saying goodbye to BIOS. coreboot is the place to go. Looks quite promising! Has anyone had any experience with this yet? I'm going to start looking into it and try it out (if it's compatible).
Dos_Box Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again!
localzuk Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again! Its going to EFI/UEFI now. Windows 7 supports it and I believe there are a number of boards with it on now.
andy_nic Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Given it's last update was a year and a half ago and the list of supported boards/chipsets is quite old I think I'll give it a miss thanks On a more serious note though, isn't the BIOS getting replaced by something new soon anyway? Or has the industry fallen out with each other again! i thought it was getting replaced by Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and Unified EFI (UEFI)
Pashers Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Posted July 14, 2011 Hmm, it seems to be quite up to date - updated the devices in Feb 2011. It'll be good to finally get rid of BIOS.
Arthur Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Asus' UEFI BIOS is by far the best out of all of them. LinuxBIOS CoreBoot doesn't look particularly good at all. I've said a lot of very nice things about the UEFI BIOS replacement that Asus seems to have implemented on every new motherboard introduced this year. While that praise is well deserved, I kind of expected the competition to have caught up by now. Not to give anything away, but they haven't. Asus' UEFI remains the cream of the crop, not just because it has the slickest graphical user interface, but also because it offers some of the most useful overclocking, tweaking, and fan control options around. (Source)
Hightower Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 I like this bit on the home page from the OP: [h=2]Project Cost[/h][TABLE=width: 100%] [TR=class: prolog] [TD=colspan: 2]This calculator estimates how much it would cost to hire a team to write this project from scratch.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Include[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #E0E0E0] Markup And Code Markup Only Code Only [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Codebase[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #E0E0E0]935,767 LOC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Effort (est.)[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #E0E0E0]263 Person Years[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Avg. Salary[/TD] [TD=bgcolor: #E0E0E0]$/year[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=bgcolor: #D0D0D0, colspan: 2]$14,491,682[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] http://www.ohloh.net/images/more_at.gif coreboot, updated 13 Jul 2011 $14.5m is the estimated cost!!!! Is that a joke?!
CyberNerd Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code?
pete Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code? Depends, does it have to work?
Hightower Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code? // This is my first line of code // This is line 3 // I love whitespace!
Hightower Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code? Also, 935,767 divided by 263 (people years) gives us: 3558 lines of code per person, per year. 3558 divided by 46 (assuming average number of weeks a full time person works per year) = 77 77 divided by 37 (assuming average hours worked per week) = 2.08 That means that this calculator is based on each person writing just over 2 lines of code per hour. I really hope I've done my maths correctly here, and if I have I must also correctly assume that this project is using 'coding tortoises' to complete the work
CyberNerd Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ very good. I did a search for what Linux was 'worth' as a comparison. In 2008 they reckoned just the Kernel (no software whatsoever) is worth $1.4Bn and fedora is woth about $10bn Linux Kernel Worth $1.4 Billion - O'Reilly Radar and that does work !
CyberNerd Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Also, 935,767 divided by 263 (people years) gives us: 3558 lines of code per person, per year. 3558 divided by 46 (assuming average number of weeks a full time person works per year) = 77 77 divided by 37 (assuming average hours worked per week) = 2.08 That means that this calculator is based on each person writing just over 2 lines of code per hour. I really hope I've done my maths correctly here, and if I have I must also correctly assume that this project is using 'coding tortoises' to complete the work That would imply there be no design, testing, re-writing, project management, documentation or even research into the Mobo's that they are writing for. Could be quite accurate.
mac_shinobi Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Asus' UEFI BIOS is by far the best out of all of them. LinuxBIOS CoreBoot doesn't look particularly good at all. - Copying apple macs again using EFI Does Asus have anything to do with apple hardware or who makes the logic ( mother ) boards for apple ? EFI / U-EFI as per above
mac_shinobi Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 ^ why, how long would it take you to write 935,767 lines of code? As long as it takes you to copy and paste ?
localzuk Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 That would imply there be no design, testing, re-writing, project management, documentation or even research into the Mobo's that they are writing for. Could be quite accurate. Indeed. The first version of our cashless catering software I wrote here (2 1/2 years ago) contained roughly 10,000 more lines of code than it does now, but I have added a huge amount more functionality to it since then. So, end total lines of code bears no relation to the amount of work that has gone into getting to that amount.
synaesthesia Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 EFI is (well, was) an intel thing entirely and part of the sweetner deal to get Apple to dump the powerPC kit and go for their mainboards and processors was sole use of EFI for a while. It's been around for much longer than most people would think, certainly long before Apple started using intel kit. Just very rare, however I do recall seeing some Compaq servers using EFI bioses probably 5/6 years ago.
localzuk Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 EFI is (well, was) an intel thing entirely and part of the sweetner deal to get Apple to dump the powerPC kit and go for their mainboards and processors was sole use of EFI for a while. It's been around for much longer than most people would think, certainly long before Apple started using intel kit. Just very rare, however I do recall seeing some Compaq servers using EFI bioses probably 5/6 years ago. EFI was introduced with the Itanium processors developed by Intel and HP. Now there are consumer boards by Asus and MSI with UEFI on, as do all HP EliteBook notebooks and tablets and a bunch of others.
Arthur Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Does Asus have anything to do with apple hardware or who makes the logic ( mother ) boards for Apple? Apple have used Asus in the past, although they tend to use Foxconn and Quanta now. Your Mac Pro was designed by Intel and assembled by Foxconn.
localzuk Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Apple have used Asus in the past, although they tend to use Foxconn and Quanta now. Your Mac Pro was designed by Intel and assembled by Foxconn. And uses a screen by BenQ if you buy their screens (used to be Acer).
MatthewL Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 I know my motherboard is supposed to support this new BIOS when it comes out. Read something when I bought it.
synaesthesia Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 And uses a screen by BenQ if you buy their screens (used to be Acer). and the quote above - and people still justify the extra spend for OSX!
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