The most annoyin things about vista

[openhgs]

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=238&blogid=2&vm=i

[Pottsey]

Most of those are not to annoying. What is annoying is you cannot turn of Cleartype which makes fonts blurred on a CRT. Well you can turn of Cleartype for some text just not everything.

[_Bat_]

Have many people actually upgraded to vista on a permanent basis yet?

 

I've not used it once yet, I should have a play with it really to test certain things with it, but I don't think I am willing to pay for it, certainly not until the first set of security bugs are discovered and patched.

 

How long do you think it will be before most people buy an upgrade or purchase a new PC with vista pre-installed (most likely the latter).

[webman]

Adjust for best performance + Win Classic mode doesn't use cleartype.

 

Have many people actually upgraded to vista on a permanent basis yet?

 

Nope, not for me. It was well in to 2003 when I eventually downgraded from Windows 2000 to XP at home. I've been using linux primarily for over a year now.

[localzuk]

There is at least one incorrect statement in that article that I can see. It is regarding virtualisation on the Home editions.

 

The license disallows the virtualisation of the software 'on a licensed device' on top of itself within a virtual server - so running a copy on top of a copy.

 

This doesn't prevent its use on a virtual machine only though, so if you have a non OEM version of it you can run it in a VM just fine.

 

The more expensive editions do allow you to run 2 copies (one on top of the other) which is a better license than in XP...

 

I have it installed on one box and I just don't like it. I have taken to nearly every other OS I have come across quickly and easily, be it windows based, dos based, *nix based, BE or even the old archimedes stuff but I just don't like Vista for some reason. I have no plans to use it in school for a good long time, and may even consider moving to a linux based client os if permitted to by my boss.

[Geoff]

This doesn't prevent its use on a virtual machine only though, so if you have a non OEM version of it you can run it in a VM just fine.

 

This is incorrect. The EULA of the Home and Home Premium version disallows you from running it in a VM at all. Here's what the EULA actually says:

 

USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system.

 

You are correct that Enterprise and Ultimate EULAs do permit you to run them in a VM. However be aware that some functionality is disabled.

 

USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights management services or using full volume disk drive encryption.

 

The more expensive editions do allow you to run 2 copies (one on top of the other) which is a better license than in XP...

 

Only Enterprise Edition AFAIK.

[localzuk]

No, you are reading it incorrectly still. The licensed device is the device that the software is licensed to run on. It is then not allowed to run on top of that in a VM. Microsoft have already responded on this point elsewhere - I will see if I can find the comment.

[localzuk]

Ah, ok. I appear to be wrong. There is a comment from an MS guy in this saying that it isn't supported in the home editions.

 

However, the license is therefore not clear on this issue.

[Geoff]

I stand by my interpretation of the EULAs.

[Pottsey]

“Have many people actually upgraded to vista on a permanent basis yet?”

Getting very tempted to at home but still dual booting back to win 64-bit. The main reason is the interface is odd and I keep getting lost. I have a few habits like using the up button but there is none in Vista. Once I learn the interface along with 1 or 2 more driver updates and I think I will be swapping to Vista and only booting in win 64-bit for the odd occasion. As for work I don’t plan on getting Vista until next year or late this year at the earliest.

[Dos_Box]

Have many people actually upgraded to vista on a permanent basis yet?

 

I've not used it once yet, I should have a play with it really to test certain things with it, but I don't think I am willing to pay for it, certainly not until the first set of security bugs are discovered and patched.

 

How long do you think it will be before most people buy an upgrade or purchase a new PC with vista pre-installed (most likely the latter).

 

My desktop PC is (and was my old laptop) but I'm reverting back to XP during the Easter hols. Vista is too much of a hinderance to be of any use, and offers me nothing over XP apart from being resource hungry, and I'm on a Duo 3Ghz, 4GB DDR II PC!!

[TechMonkey]

Thinking of upgrading home PC soon so will get it with that. This in mind I'm holding off for a bit to let it all settle. But wouldn't upgrade.

[_Bat_]

As for work I don’t plan on getting Vista until next year or late this year at the earliest.

 

Wow. That is still pretty early by our standards here. As I work for primary schools with a tiny budget, I have started only in the past two weeks to roll out windows XP onto our previously windows 2000 network at one school. So basically we won't have vista for the forseeable future, not least because our new classroom computers wouldn't be able to run it without a slowdown, if at all (1.7GHz with 512MB RAM).

[Geoff]

I'll be waiting for Vista SP1 before I even consider it.

[wesleyw]

I agree with Geoff at least SP1 possibly even SP2 Vienna is coming out in 2009 though.

 

Wes

[Pottsey]

“Wow. That is still pretty early by our standards here. “

Our head is keen to push IT and bring in Vista. He already bought me 1 licence to learn it and although I told him its not ready yet its going get hard to come up with a reason not to buy a Vista PC in 7 to 8 months time.

 

We won’t role it out everywhere at once only new PC’s from the end of this year will be bought with Vista on. I don’t see the point in waiting for SP1 its already stable and fast the only thing holding it back are a few drivers that could be improved. Once drivers get a little better it will be time to start phasing in Vista. Most likely not on the network but as a few standalone PC’s to see how the children and staff react to it.

[localzuk]

What MIS system do you use? What software do you use on it? Most of the software we have here is incompatible with it as some of it partly makes use of 16 bit code.

 

SIMS.net and its other bits like FMS and Launcher also will not work on it...

[becktonboy]

Isn't it amazing what we will put up with in software? I don't recall any conversations along the lines of :

"Well, I'm not trading in my Escort for a Focus until they sell them with all 4 wheels fitted..."

"They are looking at installing a rubber band into the CD player in a set of upgrades planned to roll out in the New Year..."

"Yes, I know it burns holes in everything I've got but have you ever seen a better looking iron?"

[mattx]

Been using it [ Ultimate ] for almost 4 months - I like it. But hey I enjoy most OS's apart from MACs.

Only found one device so far which blue screens it - an old PCMCIA firewire card.

Does not run great on my Dell D610 but getting something else in Sept for it to run on.

Will possibly deploy it [ and the Office 2007 ] at the school in about 18 months 2 years. My only concern will be the GPO changes I'll have to make in 2003 server. Anyone started this yet ?

[contink]

Our head is keen to push IT and bring in Vista. He already bought me 1 licence to learn it and although I told him its not ready yet its going get hard to come up with a reason not to buy a Vista PC in 7 to 8 months time.

I can think of a few reasons:

 

- Cost of extra hardware required to get it to run to the same standards as XP does on existing systems

- Cost of learning and support

- Lack of real-world support from other users who've found the quirks and work-arounds

- Lack of need for most school packages to actually run using Vista. In my experience (especially primary) there's no need to have Vista for at least 2 years.

 

 

Roughly translated your head is just wowed by the "cool" technobabble speak from the MS marketing department and wants the new toys..

 

 

 

Anyways, as for myself I'm installing it on one machine to play with and learn what it does/doesn't do.. so I can support those laptops and home machines I'll invariable need to bail out.

[enjay]

I might upgrade my PC at home so that I can get used to it. We have no plans for a migration to Vista in school as yet, but it will naturally come at some point, so there's no harm in a bit of readiness for that day.

[Dos_Box]

The most annoying thing (apart from UAC of course) is that if you have a multi-homed system as I do at work then your second LAN card (or any not directly linked to your member domain) gets flagged as being on a 'dodgy' network and half the services shut off on it. Trying to browse or ping anything on my second connection is impossible unless you tell it that it is on a 'trusted' network. When you re-boot it reverts back to 'paranoid' mode of course.

[webman]

I think that is down to it's security-as-an-afterthough mentality.

[Quackers]

I do not think MS can win. When they try and make there OS a bit more secure and bullet proof, by making everyone run as a user by default and then making you elevate your self to make any system changes people complain about how annoying it is, then when its turned off (because its annoying) people complain how insecure there OS is and how easy it is to take it over because people are surfing the net as an admin and clicking crackz and porn.

 

How do they win? what should they do?

[zag]

don't think we will roll it out for at least 2 years, it doesn't offer much over XP in a corporate environment. Its nice for a home machine though.