To Ban Or Not To Ban this is the question

[greenfieldsupport]

Also if the class has been REALLY bad they can turn the internet off in that room.

 

 

we found that "jimmy being on games in ict ban for a week" is a teaching problem, its up to the teacher to tell jimmy not to, then to use the usual discipline procedure if he doesnt listen..

 

 

banning him for a week was annoying all the other teachers.

[pallen]

We have an AUP which states that the network is for educational use only. Any attempt to play games, access proxy, inappropriate content etc may result in a ban. Depending on the seriousness of the offence the ban will be internet only or they will have their network account disabled.

 

I normally place bans for 1 or 2 weeks but if I am unsure I raise it with the IT Coordinator. We have had bans for the entire term on a few rare occasions but these were for very serious offences and it was requested by a member of the SMT. However bans will only result from computer misuse, any other behaviour problems are dealt with normally by the teacher.

[FN-GM]

:idea: What punishments would any one suggest other than banning.

 

You could make them pick chewing gum from the bottom of the table.

 

Z

[Pottsey]

We ban repeat offenders off the Internet and if they are bad we change their password so teachers have to log them on. When the teacher has to log on the student they normally remember to keep an eye on them. At least in theory.

[tomscaper]

This is something i have often wondered about as we get this sometimes, a teacher wanted me to ban a kid from the computers for a week for drinking in a lesson.

I find it is often teachers not able to punish the kids appriopriately. Some dont want the responsablily and just pass it on to someone else.

I try to explain taht we ban for misuse of computer equipment but the teachers have a cautioning system for other things that happen in class.

[PEO]

I’m not sure if this is like this in any other school but here we have some teachers who believe that it’s down to the IT Techs to ban student from the computers for playing, not sitting in their seat, ect.

Now I’m all for punishment but what one teacher requests another un-requests for example, jonny was in ICT lesson and played games all lesson please ban for 1 week, Same day request from business "please unban jonny as its stopping him for doing his course work".....Ahhhh what do others do.

 

Also are there any rules about removing teaching aids from the students e.g. banning them from the internet.

 

If you have a user policy then you should enforce it. then if you do need to ban jonny and a teacher says he needs access to internet etc, tell them he is banned and the reason why.

 

we have a ban list here on our intranet. It has a list of people in year order, saying they are banned for this reason, and how long for.

[kylewilliamson]

You shouldnt ban students from ICT for a classroom discpline issue (such as playing games etc) - but only for actual *abuses* of the system..

[Disease]

You shouldnt ban students from ICT for a classroom discpline issue (such as playing games etc) - but only for actual *abuses* of the system..

 

So what is to stop them playing games then? In an ideal world teachers would not be useless, it's not an ideal world though.

[PEO]

You shouldnt ban students from ICT for a classroom discpline issue (such as playing games etc) - but only for actual *abuses* of the system..

 

I agree they should be disaplined for abuse and not for playing games which is why we use proper classroom monitoring software to stop them from going of track.

[Disease]

We use Lanschool for classroom management and Spector to monitor and teachers still have no clue what goes on in the classroom, and any teacher who says they do is just a plain liar.

 

With monitoring software someone has to actually monitor it and teachers do not do that.

[PEO]

we use viglen remote learning tutor here. I keep an eye on what game sites are been access way to often, and then update the internet ban list for remote learning tutor. so when the staff open it, they then activate that ban profile.

 

It works really well for the staff and because of that they keep me informed often as possible of any problems.

 

I try not to go as far as banning games on the cachepilot, because we have computer clubs on during lunch time, and after school.

 

@Disease

 

is classroom management and spector 2 completely seperate bits of software?

 

if so do you think the staff find it a little difficult to work it?

[blackcat]

We use a three strikes and you're out policy and enforce it. We use Lanschool to monitor the whole site, even though teachers have access in each classroom. There's nothing more satisfying than remotely watching a student playing games in background and switching to a document titled doc1 and waiting until the end of the period and rebooting the pc. Do it again.

[Disease]

Lanschool is there FOR the teachers to use you have to be an idiot not to be able to use it, in which case you should not be a teacher anyway.

 

Spector is recording software and is not used by teachers and is used by me and my team.

[Disease]

We use a three strikes and you're out policy and enforce it. We use Lanschool to monitor the whole site, even though teachers have access in each classroom. There's nothing more satisfying than remotely watching a student playing games in background and switching to a document titled doc1 and waiting until the end of the period and rebooting the pc. Do it again.

 

LOL we do the same We like to toy with them and limit web which closes their browser window and then laugh as they try and figure out what happened.

[PEO]

We use a three strikes and you're out policy and enforce it. We use Lanschool to monitor the whole site, even though teachers have access in each classroom. There's nothing more satisfying than remotely watching a student playing games in background and switching to a document titled doc1 and waiting until the end of the period and rebooting the pc. Do it again.

 

what so you restart the document before the kid saves the work, so they have to do it again?

[Disease]

You are missing the point MrHappy, the Doc_1 as blackcat put it has no work in it or very little as the kid is using it to mask the games playing.

 

Kid plays game

Teacher walks towards pupil

Kid switches to the word doc

Teacher walks past

Kid goes back to playing games.

 

The doc file is there because the kids has no intention of doing any work, and this set of events is the same in all schools across the UK (apart from private schools)

[PEO]

right got ya, yep seen that happen before

[tomscaper]

I see this happen alot and what i do is when teacher walks over to pupil i take control of his pc and teacher catches him. lol

[strawberry]

 

The doc file is there because the kids has no intention of doing any work, and this set of events is the same in all schools across the UK (apart from private schools)

 

nope, its youtube and miniclip all the way in private schools.

[Disease]

 

The doc file is there because the kids has no intention of doing any work, and this set of events is the same in all schools across the UK (apart from private schools)

 

nope, its youtube and miniclip all the way in private schools.

 

hehe

[TechMonkey]

I see this happen alot and what i do is when teacher walks over to pupil i take control of his pc and teacher catches him. lol

 

Generally I wander in and let the teacher know then go to the student and tell him to keep on track or he will lose his internet. Usually they splutter their innocence but once you explain that you don't randomly wander into classes to tell random kids off and that I could go and print off his interent history to show him what games he has been on but then I would be annoyed so feel more inclined to remove his internet access they usually fess up.

 

It's either that or I announce loudly across the class that donkey porn shoudln't be looked at in class even if they are personally taken pictures. The ribbing that lasts for weeks ensures compliance :twisted:

[blackcat]

The piece of software (can't remember its name) we had before Lanschool could lock out the keyboard and mouse. One of us would be on patrol and we'd casually walk the way of a miscreant. We know he'd be watching us, so at an appropriate time my colleague would lock out the pc and the only way they could hide the games when we got near, was to reboot the pc and lose all their work too if they'd done any. We would also randomly lock out a few games players around the site towards the end of the lesson and they would have to report it to the teacher as a fault with a game on the screen, else reboot and lose their work. Lovely Jubilee.

[greenfieldsupport]

You are missing the point MrHappy, the Doc_1 as blackcat put it has no work in it or very little as the kid is using it to mask the games playing.

 

Kid plays game

Teacher walks towards pupil

Kid switches to the word doc

Teacher walks past

Kid goes back to playing games.

 

The doc file is there because the kids has no intention of doing any work, and this set of events is the same in all schools across the UK (apart from private schools)

 

Clearly this word document thing MUST go !!

 

[boomam]

Luckily I have it alright here.

What generally happens is, that if i catch one of the pupils on a games site, proxy site, or having links to them in their favourites, then i immediately ban them for one week. I then take screenshots and evidence to the SMT, who then take action by punishing the pupil and sending a letter home to their parents. They inform me of any extensions or changes to the bans.

 

Teachers do ask me to remove the ban 'just for this lesson', but i allways tell them to go and talk to SMT about it. .

 

Works quite well tbh. .

[powdarrmonkey]

We're incredibly fortunate to have the respect of SMT to use our discretion when sanctioning. The biggest problem is the sixth form (year 7 soon fall into line) which make up over half the school with lots drawn in from feeder schools who aren't as strict.

 

If they're caught in non-compliance they get two warnings via their register, and more than twice they get a permanent ban, lifted only when they apply to and are approved by the sixth form office staff. We don't ban from the machines themselves, in most circumstances, so it's more of an inconvenience. Word soon gets round that access is a privelige.

 

Of course, walking into a head of ict's lesson and announcing that you need to speak to the student surfing porn also has an amazing effect. I've never seen a student so terrified.