ICT Network Manager, Warwick Independent School, Warwick

[Deeleys]

A highly skilled, enthusiastic and committed ICT professional is required to help provide an effective technical support service within the school. Knowledge of installing, managing and administrating Microsoft File, SQL, Exchange and SharePoint client/server technology as well as network systems and infrastructure, is essential.

 

Warwick School, Independent day and boarding school for boys aged 7-18 - ICT Network Manager

[Tricky_Dicky]

Looks great. Couldn't see a mention of salary though.

[Deeleys]

To be discussed at interview according to experience and qualifications.

[AXE]

Been there... Nice place, friendly people, healthy budget. I expect the position will go to the current ICT Network Assistant.

[tech_guy]

My nephews school. Demanding job. As I live in Warwick I could be tempted to apply though.......

[featured_spectre]

LOVE the person spec...sense of humour, desirable...had a giggle at that!

[Deeleys]

Been there... Nice place, friendly people, healthy budget. I expect the position will go to the current ICT Network Assistant.

 

We don't have a Network Assistant as we didn't fill the post last year.

[DPrince]

Any chance of a ballpark figure on salary? Expected range?

Is £45k - £50k completely out of the question, for instance?

[somabc]

Any chance of a ballpark figure on salary? Expected range?

Is £45k - £50k completely out of the question, for instance?

 

Why not apply and find out?

[DPrince]

Why not apply and find out?

 

Because applications take time, particularly if you are asked to attend interview. Pay for these sorts of jobs (particularly in the Independent sector) varies wildly. Frankly, why would I want to spend several hours filling in application forms, then more hours and expense attending interviews, only to discover that I'm taking a pay cut.

Ironically, the application form asks for my current salary, but doesn't indicate what they're prepared to pay. As pay is one of the most important factors for changing jobs, all the other info in the job description is just fluff.

 

Maybe Rightmove and Estate Agents should ask you to view a house and apply for a mortgage before telling you the price of a house? Even better, rather than give you the price, just ask you how much money you have...

[DPrince]

Equally though you could argue that if you are not willing to fill out the forms even without knowing the salary then you are probably not the right person for the job.

 

Perhaps. I think most people would agree that that would be a stupid argument though.

I suppose it would depend on your definition of "right person". If you define the right person as "stupid", "desperate" or "someone with too much time on their hands" then yes, that argument would stand up.

 

If I earn £40k+, why would I want to waste any time at all filling in application forms for a job paying £30k? Your assertion is that by doing so I have proven myself to be "the right person for the job". But I'm not. My application would be a non-starter from the very beginning, and all I've done is waste my time.

 

Cynically, the usual reason that companies do this is because either:

a) they want to see what the market is like before setting a salary (usually so they can pay the lowest possible amount), or

b) they don't want to upset internal staff, either the outgoing member of staff, or staff in other departments.

 

Either reason is ok as it stands, but it speaks volumes about the company doing it. Most people would accept that the salary for a job tells them something about the sort of person they are looking for (there is a world of difference between "IT Manager (£22k)" and "IT Manager (£70k)").

 

The next step in this argument will be not even to tell you what the job is. Just advertise and say "we have a job". If you need to ask what it is, you're probably not the right person for the job....

 

[HarryMonkey]

Maybe, as with a lot of school jobs, they feel that money should not be the motivation for applying.

[timzim]

Maybe, as with a lot of school jobs, they feel that money should not be the motivation for applying.

 

That's nonsense though. Since most (all?) of us are working in schools are earning less than we'd earn for doing the same job in industry our motivation is obviously not just the money.

[somabc]

That's nonsense though. Since most (all?) of us are working in schools are earning less than we'd earn for doing the same job in industry our motivation is obviously not just the money.

 

Well then if you earn less than you could earn elsewhere doing the same job surely that proves that money is not your primary motivation? Perhaps you do not want the pressure to meet targets or constant travel that could come with the private sector?

[DPrince]

Maybe, as with a lot of school jobs, they feel that money should not be the motivation for applying.

 

Quite possibly. I wonder what they think the motivation is then?

[HarryMonkey]

I was once told that I should be working in a school beacuse of my desire to make a difference. I said that the reason was because they pay my wages. That did not go down well.

[DPrince]

Well, my wife is a teacher in a School, and I am an IT Manager in a School, and we both work because it pays our mortgage. Making a difference is all well and good, but my primary motivation is to put food on the table and a roof over our heads.

My point is that for me to consider spending time filling in application forms, driving 2 hours for an interview, and then contemplate moving my family to another part of the country, I need more than a "why don't you do all that and then find out what the salary is". I'm not specifically referring to this job, but this attitude that if you ask what the pay is you're somehow demeaning yourself... didn't that die out in the sixties?