Lea and Perrins unsuitable for Vegetarians!

[featured_spectre]

Vegans don't eat wear or use anything deriving from animals.

 

Piscatarians or Pescatarians willl not eat meat but will eat fish.

 

So the fact that Vegans use electricity which is derived from fossil fuels which comes from dead animals.....irony much?

[HarryMonkey]

There are a lot of places that still don't have a seperate fryer for chips (our local Little Chef for one). They have just one fryer that gets the chips, chicken, fish, sausages and all manner of other things cooked in it.

[creese]

Veganism is concerned with 'exploitation' of animals. Vegans are not just concerned with not eating anmal products but will not use or wear wool, leather or silk etc.

[Greenbeast]

i find it strange that people will not eat chicken and beef but will drink milk or eat eggs, the milk & egg industries have no use for male animals and they usually get killed at birth

[localzuk]

I always like the leather shoes/jacket/bag they wear

 

You may find that what you see as 'leather' in many cases isn't. A company called 'vegetarian shoes' makes fake leather shoes. There's also a vegetarian fake leather called 'pleather'. However, vegetarians don't generally abide by the 'no leather' idea - that is vegans.

 

My (trivial) understanding was that vegetarians don't eat meat, and vegans don't eat meat or fish.

 

A fish is an animal, made of meat... So, vegetarians don't eat fish. The vegetarian society ran a campaign trying to educate people about this by handing out cards with a fish on one side and a carrot on the other.

 

How is Guinness not vegetarian?

 

Isinglass is used in its brewing.

[localzuk]

So the fact that Vegans use electricity which is derived from fossil fuels which comes from dead animals.....irony much?

 

Now that is what I call 'a stretch'. By your definition then, vegans can't survive at all, as road surfaces contain gelatin waste products, and food travels by truck on those roads, driven by drivers who eat meat...

 

Everyone draws a line somewhere - most choose not to be stupid about it.

[localzuk]

So all UK Guinness will be fine? IIRC all Guinness in the UK and Ireland comes straight from St. James' Gate in Dublin.

 

I went round the Guinness Storehouse Tour not long ago and nothing was mention during that. I would have thought they'd have mentioned it during the sampling section...

 

No it isn't. Guiness themselves have stated they use isinglass, but state that it doesn't appear in the final product, just in the manufacturing process.

[creese]

There are varied catagories of Vegatrianism, Ovo Vegatarians eat eggs. Some veggies wear leather some not. It is down to personal responsibility or conscience.

 

No one has come up with the old 'Hitler was a veggie' yet. He was on a veggie diet for some time but not too concerned with the ethics behind it.

[rolfea]

I have heard that Australian Haribo are suitable for Vegetarians.

 

Unfortunately I can't find anything on the internet to prove this.

[creese]

I have heard that Australian Haribo are suitable for Vegetarians.

 

Unfortunately I can't find anything on the internet to prove this.

 

The Australian Veg. Soc. welcomed Haribo to their list of companies with Veggie products in 2009.

 

http://www.vegsoc.org/press/2009/haribo.html

[witch]

There are many reasons why people become vegetarians and you cannot really generalise about it.

My reasons revolve around the appalling way animals are treated, both when alive and when killed in an abattoir. I believe that we are made to be omnivores but that we kill and eat far too many animals and do it in a very unpleasant way.

I do eat eggs but only those from a local free range farm which gives away the birds which are no longer producing enough eggs - they go to local householders who keep them until they die of old age, in the most part.

[LeMarchand]

Now that is what I call 'a stretch'. By your definition then, vegans can't survive at all, as road surfaces contain gelatin waste products, and food travels by truck on those roads, driven by drivers who eat meat...

 

Everyone draws a line somewhere - most choose not to be stupid about it.

 

As the cook in the house, this is why I find complaints from veggies that (say) there might be cross-contamination if their food is cooked on/in the same hob/oven as meat products particularly annoying. (Especially as it often leads to everyone having to go veggie for the duration).

[creese]

There are many reasons why people become vegetarians and you cannot really generalise about it.

My reasons revolve around the appalling way animals are treated, both when alive and when killed in an abattoir. I believe that we are made to be omnivores but that we kill and eat far too many animals and do it in a very unpleasant way.

I do eat eggs but only those from a local free range farm which gives away the birds which are no longer producing enough eggs - they go to local householders who keep them until they die of old age, in the most part.

 

I was never a campaigning Veggie and always laughed when people came up with the 'Hitler arguement' and 'but you eat eggs'. I always explained it it between me and my conscience. I eat what I want you eat what you want. If it went further, I usually stopped them with 'you eat meat, why don't you eat rat or dog?'

[localzuk]

As the cook in the house, this is why I find complaints from veggies that (say) there might be cross-contamination if their food is cooked on/in the same hob/oven as meat products particularly annoying. (Especially as it often leads to everyone having to go veggie for the duration).

 

Those people usually also find the idea of eating animal products repuslive. I know some people like that, and I think its fair enough. I know people who won't eat something if it falls on the floor. Or people who won't eat perfectly good food simply because the best before date has passed by 1 day.

 

Partly, it is also done to drive home the message that vegetarianism is a serious issue, and makes the chefs think about what they're doing.

[siuko]

I have also had the one where everything is cooked with the meat in it and I am then asked "cant you just take the meat bits out" hehe

 

I don't really mind the cross contamination problem to much as its more about choosing not to eat something that has been killed for my benefit.

 

But I know my wife is quite upset about the idea that their 'may' be meat in something.

[RabbieBurns]

I had a nice juicy kangaroo steak tonight, cooked to perfect on the barbie

[localzuk]

I had a nice juicy kangaroo steak tonight, cooked to perfect on the barbie

 

:feedtroll:

 

He's already full...

[rolfea]

I heard Kangaroo steak is defiantly unsuitable for vegetarians.

[LeMarchand]

Those people usually also find the idea of eating animal products repuslive.

 

I realise that, but can't reconcile how someone can feel that way and live modern society where pretty much anything you might do/use has involved harm being done to animals somewhere down the chain. Fair enough if you don't eat meat, but the above example seems to to me to suggest that some veggies are more concerned with letting everyone know how "good" they are rather than actually being concerned with how their lifestyle is impacting on animals.

 

Partly, it is also done to drive home the message that vegetarianism is a serious issue, and makes the chefs think about what they're doing.

 

It's a serious issue to vegetarians, yes. The rest of the world, not so much. TBH, when I've had such complaints I've often been tempted to deliberately add something from the carnivore dish. Now, I'm far too nice to actually do so - but I'm pretty sure that more hot-headed people wouldn't have such scruples. (I'd even go so far as to suggest that the risk of accidental cross-contamination is probably lower than that of angry deliberate cross-contamination).

[localzuk]

I realise that, but can't reconcile how someone can feel that way and live modern society where pretty much anything you might do/use has involved harm being done to animals somewhere down the chain. Fair enough if you don't eat meat, but the above example seems to to me to suggest that some veggies are more concerned with letting everyone know how "good" they are rather than actually being concerned with how their lifestyle is impacting on animals.

 

Its reconciled easily - one they can deal with via their own demands, the other they can't. I can't demand that the M6 is ripped up and resurfaced, but I can demand that a restaurant uses a different grill to cook my veggie-burger. If they want my custom, they'll do what I ask. If they don't, then they won't. Most do, so most either follow the request or lie about having done so.

 

It's a serious issue to vegetarians, yes. The rest of the world, not so much. TBH, when I've had such complaints I've often been tempted to deliberately add something from the carnivore dish. Now, I'm far too nice to actually do so - but I'm pretty sure that more hot-headed people wouldn't have such scruples. (I'd even go so far as to suggest that the risk of accidental cross-contamination is probably lower than that of angry deliberate cross-contamination).

 

Animal welfare is a serious issue, whether you're vegetarian or not. If you don't care about it then there is something wrong with you (note, this isn't aimed at you LeMarchand, more a general comment), much like there would be something wrong with you if you didn't care about the welfare of other humans. Also, the number of vegetarians in the world is far higher than you'd think.

 

On the point about deliberate contamination, I know some chefs who do this (Gordon Ramsey for one). But they should be very careful. If they do it, then they may end up in court. Lying about the contents of food is against the law...

[witch]

I try very hard not to push my vegetarianism into people's faces - it is a personal choice and one about which I feel very strongly but try not to inconvenience others. It certainly used to be that veggies could be a bit 'holier than thou' and maybe that is why people were/are tempted to 'contaminate' their food, but in all seriousness, why is anyone so bothered by someone else's choice?

As for the argument that there is little point not eating meat when there is so much animal cruelty in the world - well, you could use that argument for everything - but you have to start somewhere

[teejay]

I find the animal welfare reason a weird one for stopping eating meat, surely the best way to improve animal welfare is to buy and demand meat from sources with good animal husbandry and that have been slaughtered properly. The only way to stop bad husbandry and bad slaughtering of animals is to make it profitable to treat animals properly and unprofitable to treat animals poorly.

[localzuk]

I find the animal welfare reason a weird one for stopping eating meat, surely the best way to improve animal welfare is to buy and demand meat from sources with good animal husbandry and that have been slaughtered properly. The only way to stop bad husbandry and bad slaughtering of animals is to make it profitable to treat animals properly and unprofitable to treat animals poorly.

 

Or make it unprofitable to rear meat full-stop? ie. stopping eating it?

[siuko]

I suppose that depends on whether them being slaughtered properly is good for their welfare?

[teejay]

Or make it unprofitable to rear meat full-stop? ie. stopping eating it?

 

That's a slightly different argument in that is it better for an animal not to have existed at all or for it to have had a life, which if treated properly would be quite a happy life but shortened by being used as a food product.