Public Sector salaries (Panorama tonight)

[PeteM]

BBC News - 9,000 in public sector get more pay than prime minister

[wizzard]

Interesting, seeing as people tend to forget that the PM himself insisted on a pay cut to set an example.

[featured_spectre]

PUBLIC SECTOR SALARIES

 

38,045 earn over £100,000

1,000 earn over £200,000

9,187 earn more than PM

10 GPs earn over £300,000

1 GP in Hillingdon PCT earns £475,000

17 teachers earn more than PM

331 BBC managers earn more than £100,000

362 local council employees earn more than PM

 

 

Thats quite something!

[Rydra]

The government has already revealed that pay for the top 5% of earners in the public sector has risen by 51% in the past 10 years.

 

Which is funny, because the likes of us lowly technicians, pay has not gone up except with inflation in, what, 15 years?

 

The jobs I see coming up now are the same salary at least 5-7 years ago when i started job hunting (in some cases inflation has had no affect, and they haven't gone up!), yet the gap from 'technician' pay to 'manager' pay increases every year.

[PeteM]

The figure for the BBC Managers is staggering - 331 managers on £100k + a year

[srochford]

The figure for the BBC Managers is staggering - 331 managers on £100k + a year

 

But like that, it's meaningless.

 

How many managers does the BBC have? Does this represent 1% of its managers or 90%? What percentage of managers in (say) Tesco are on more than £100k?

 

It's loads more money than I get but it doesn't meant to say it's wrong. What we should be looking at is why some people get paid so little even though they do a fantastic job rather than just dragging everyone down to the lowest possible salary (because that's where this looks like it's going - it won't be "well, we can take the money we saved on the top salaries and give a pay rise lower down")

[kili]

Interesting, seeing as people tend to forget that the PM himself insisted on a pay cut to set an example.

 

No great hardship when your a multi millionaire . He's not there for the money but the power

[Rydra]

The question of how much should someone be paid is a difficult one to answer.

 

As a general rule, a manager should earn more than those he manages. Firstly because he is responsible for not just his own work, but ultimately for the work of those below them.

As a result the more levels you add in, the higher the person at the top will earn.

 

So in the line we work in there are two main tree's; the teachers and the support line.

TA < Teacher < Head of Dept/Year < Deputy Head < Assistant Head < Headteacher

and

Technician < Department manager < Support team manager < Assistant Head < Headteacher

 

this isn't set in stone, some will have more or less tiers, but that is generally how it works.

 

As a rough guess, the salary banding for a role is about 10% of the base salary. So if you start a job earning 20k, you'll finish earning about 22-23k at the top of your salary band. Usually, from one role to the next level up will be 2-3 grades higher to allow for flexibility, so after the 20k starter, the next level of manager is about 28k, then next up will be about 40k and so on and so on.

 

So for the BBC to have a lot of managers at 100k+ is not a far stretch if they conform to that general principle of salary banding.

 

How often does the boss earn just 1-2k more than the technician? usually the gap is about 30-50% higher.

[CAM]

Doesn't the support line stop at Bursar though? Headteacher seems a bit of a stretch for someone with no teaching qualifications.

[sonofsanta]

BBC News - Public Sector pay

 

I can't help but think that over a quarter of a million pounds annually for being the Chief Police Officer in the Fraud Office is borderline fraud already...

 

£260k+ for the Works & Pensions IT director as well, which has got to be a pretty cushty number - it's not like anyone expects government IT to work anyway!

[Homer]

1 GP in Hillingdon PCT earns £475,000

17 teachers earn more than PM

 

That GP is in my PCT and it infuriates me because there are so many shortfalls within the healthcare offered within this borough, and as for the teachers - if that includes headteachers, then our principal is part of that statistic which infuriates me even more!! However, we are an Academy.

[Dos_Box]

Perhaps we should have the system like the US has where no public sector employee can earn more than the president (circa $400,000 (£256,962) as of 2 years ago, not including expenses)?

I'm not sure if they still have that system, but it sounds fair to me.

[K.C.Leblanc]

not including expenses

 

We'd end up with even more people claiming to have their moats cleaned.

[torledo]

the figures that i'd be interested to know is how many private sector contractors were paid six-figure salaries last year for working on public sector contracts/projects ['m thinking big IT and mgmt consultancy predominantly]. That spend comes out of the public coffers, whether it's a local govt. project or another public sector body buying into a new system of working or upgrading/implementing a proprietary system.

 

whatever the merits/reasoning for paying some public sector manager high five figure or low six figure salaries, atleast they are paying top rate of tax on those 'earnings'. A self-employed contractor/subcontractor whose pay isn't subject to the same media scrutiny probably doesn't have as high a tax buren on the six-figures sums their services command. But it's the flying under the radar aspect which is most galling, while we become indignant about a comparatively small number of 40% tax paying PAYE managers, the IT and business consultant bods are quietly raking it in. at taxpayers expense!!

[Thefuturesbright]

Time for teh Axe to fall one thinks

[CHR1S]

Interesting, seeing as people tend to forget that the PM himself insisted on a pay cut to set an example.

 

Im sure I read somewhere the PM and ex PM's get a sizeable income from a host of "other" jobs they do, such as public speaking and the likes.

[featured_spectre]

They do get extra funds from such appearances yes, however as that comes under a second job, they get taxed on it fully, much like everyone else does when they have a second job.

 

As for expenses, don't get me started!

[PiqueABoo]

Consultant Stephen Taylor, who has advised government agencies and the Cabinet Office, said for positions such as running a large local authority, there were not many people with the qualifications - especially at a time when the job would require implementation of deep cuts - and they commanded high wages. "I'd want to attract the best people in the country to be interested in doing that job," he said.

 

Wonder what he has been paid by the tax-payer, but no doubt it was worth it. Interesting quote from his personal philosophy: "Great organisations do not rely on a few individuals but embed leadership throughout." Not entirely sure how that fits with these unique and massively important folk that must be paid obscene (for public sector) salaries. More directly, there's not a lot of obvious evidence of their mega-skills and salaries having achieved anything notable in recent years.

Edited September 20, 2010 by PiqueABoo

[torledo]

there's not a lot of obvious evidence of their mega-skills and salaries having achieved anything notable in recent years.

 

the rising salaries of senior execs seem to rise proportionately with a rising need for 'consultancy' to tell them how to run [increasingly how to make efficiency savings] the businesses they get paid six-figures to be in charge of. for me it puts pay to the assumption that managers at different levels are worthy of the renumeration because of 'unique skills'.

 

one of the other posts mentioned raising the salaries of people who aren't aswell renumerated, say those in the back office, rather than knocking some of he higher paid down a peg or two...fine in theory, but doesn't that go against many of the business models we've come to know and loathe ? which involves negotiating the most measly of pay deals, and looking for other cost savings related to the payroll [often at significant initial expense with mythical savings to come after, long after, the consultants have moved on].

[torledo]

Im sure I read somewhere the PM and ex PM's get a sizeable income from a host of "other" jobs they do, such as public speaking and the likes.

 

i'm sure i read somewhere that the PM is a multi-millionaire. he doesn't really need the 'other jobs', his day job and the two [or is it three ?] day week his missus does, is enough to keep them ticking over i reckon.