drewp Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 ILM is a ballache, but I have posted my documentation I made as I struggled through it on here somewhere (in this thread I think) which should give you a good idea of all the problems you might face (with the solutions I found) I have been looking at the document you wrote, was really helpful, but I was struggling to put it into the context of the deployment we were thinking of. Perhaps we need a rethink...
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 What is the point of keeping staff on exchange? Knowing that I can restore any email within 60 seconds basically. Having a 12 month+ archive of emails. There were a lot of other considerations that took place but I cant remember them all. Email is misison critical to our business, and keeping it under our management just made sense
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 I have been looking at the document you wrote, was really helpful, but I was struggling to put it into the context of the deployment we were thinking of. Perhaps we need a rethink... It shouldnt take much to migrate the mailboxes from exchange to live@edu once you have the infrastucture in place?
drewp Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 What is the point of keeping staff on exchange? Some of our users are uncomfortable with having there mailboxes moved to the cloud. Our first thoughts were to setup Live@EDU for our pupils, then to think about what we do with our staff mailboxes.
zag Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Very interesting.... I've just moved our entire organisation over to live@edu including staff/teachers/governors and they are loving it so far.
drewp Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 It shouldnt take much to migrate the mailboxes from exchange to live@edu once you have the infrastucture in place? We were thinking of not migrating the contents of the existing pupil's mailboxes to live@edu, but just give them a new empty mailbox to fill up again... With your ILM setup, inorder to create the staff users as mail users in live@edu, did you have to set the Teaching container as an OU to sync?
drewp Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) Very interesting.... I've just moved our entire organisation over to live@edu including staff/teachers/governors and they are loving it so far. Did you do this in stages, or did you just do it all in one go? We have a limited ADSL connection on our campus, migrating our exchange mailboxes over a 1.5 Mbps uplink would be interesting Edited July 1, 2011 by drewp
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 We were thinking of not migrating the contents of the existing pupil's mailboxes to live@edu, but just give them a new empty mailbox to fill up again... With your ILM setup, inorder to create the staff users as mail users in live@edu, did you have to set the Teaching container as an OU to sync? Well then that is exactly what we did - students got synced as new mailboxes, staff got synced as mail-users. Yes, you simply select the teachers OU in ILM to sync as well. It determines the email address as whether it should create a mailbox ([email protected]) or if it should create them as mail-users ([email protected]) There is a bit of extra configuration needed in ILM to get this working though, took me a good few hours on the phone with support getting it set up, but I thnk the docs I uploaded here have that covered, Im on Version 5 of my docs so cant remember the last I put up here. Ive literally not had to touch it in 15 months since setting it up. It "Just Works". Feel free to PM me any time if you have any specific questions. 1
drewp Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Im on Version 5 of my docs so cant remember the last I put up here. Ive literally not had to touch it in 15 months since setting it up. It "Just Works". Feel free to PM me any time if you have any specific questions. The copy I downloaded was version 4, I don’t suppose you would be kind enough to upload your version 5 document I was thinking that it would take some time to work out how to do it, and its good to hear that once it's setup it's hassle free...
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 I will do so once I get back to work on Monday. The only thing I added to v5 though was a chapter about deprovisioning accounts. By default, if a user gets moved out of an OU, the live@edu mailbox etc stays. I just documented about ways of changing that so if you move a user out the OU, it deprovisions (aka deletes!) the mailbox etc.
zag Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 We did the move all in one go over 2 days. We migrated the staff mailboxes manually (drag and drop from old to new account in outlook) We didn't migrate students as it seemed pointless at the end of the year. We also setup "out of office" replies on the old address to inform people of the change and left exchange running for 6 months with webmail accessible but no shortcut on peoples desktop.
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 just out of interest @zag, why didnt you just keep the same email addresses?
zag Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 just out of interest @zag, why didnt you just keep the same email addresses? We are now an acadamy so had the chance to move away from the LEA's web domain to a shorter one. 1
RabbieBurns Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 makes a lot of sense. Cheers. On a side note, and unrelated to this thread completely, but what is all this 'academy' speak i hear of. Where I grew up in scotland, most of our state schools for seniors were called 'blah blah academy'
zag Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Money from central government used to be sent to the LEA who distributed it to all the schools in the area. Being an academy now we get the money directly from government. It also gives us much more choice in how to run the school outside of the authority. This means we basically get a lot of extra funding. 1
zag Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) We have finally completed our migration to Live@edu over this week. Are there any other large secondarys who've made the move? All teachers, staff and students are now using exchange online from Outlook 2010 client or webmail. Its been a great success so far, very happy with the upgrade. Edited July 8, 2011 by zag
CyberNerd Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 makes a lot of sense. Cheers. On a side note, and unrelated to this thread completely, but what is all this 'academy' speak i hear of. Where I grew up in scotland, most of our state schools for seniors were called 'blah blah academy' basically there are three types of state schools: 1) Academies 2) Schools converting to academies 3) Schools not yet converted to academies
MattGibson Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Anyone got any tips on Shared Address Space ? Want to move students over and leave staff on site but having no luck! Here what I've tried! Shared Address Space with On-Premises Relay Created Accepted Domain on Exchange 2007 (on site) Created Send Connector Added servers external IP to FOPE Added shared address space to cloud accepted domains Create test user in cloud (it can send fine) configured the test user to accept from both domain [email protected] & [email protected] Any other pointers? I must be doing something wrong! Regards Matt
zag Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Is there an easy way to delete a specific email over multiple mail boxes? Edited February 9, 2012 by zag
RabbieBurns Posted February 9, 2012 Author Posted February 9, 2012 @MattGibson The way I have done it is I have staff on our on-premise exchange with [email protected] and a local exchange account I have students on Live@edu with [email protected] . This students.maindomain.edu is the one registered for live@edu What I did was add maindomain.edu as an accepted domain within live@edu, and even with closed campus enabled the two domains can email each other. I didnt have to add the students.maindomain.edu as an accepted domain within Exchange locally I also modified a poweshell script which would parse a CSV file which would create a live@edu account for the staff, but a liveID only, so they can login to skydrive etc using their normal on premis email addresses, but keep their existing mailbox on premis. I use ILM so passwords are synced for both students and teachers (and I since figured out how to get ILM to do the teacher liveIDs too) Let me know if you want me to share the script + a sample csv, also have a look at my how-to guide i posted somewhere in this thread when I set it up
PiqueABoo Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Is there an easy way to delete a specific email over multiple mail boxes? Yes if you're happy in powershell-land then the cmdlet is search-mailbox and there's a page with detail on technet:Search For and Delete Messages from Users' Mailboxes
garethEds Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Afternoon people, A bit late to the party here but what is the current opinion on live@edu? I'm coming to the conclusion that due to issues we have seen in the LEA over the past three weeks that moving certain services to the cloud is a good option. We currently have a centrally hosted Exchange 2007 service from the LEA. Staff and pupils have mailboxes which are set at 2Gb. When new people enter the school they are provisioned using AD Provisioning in SIMS - this sets up their AD account, their mailbox and their Moodle account. Some staff have large mailboxes. When we log into the centrally hosted Sharepoint Portal we are SSO'ed into the mail and Moodle. So the idea of moving email over to the cloud has reared it's head. live@edu seems like a good idea - but so does Google Mail (for Education?) - based on the current service which I have outlined above will live@edu do this for us? How integrated could I make it and how much would I have to ask the LEA to do? I'm not sure they will be happy or will help at this moment in time. From reading Edugeek today it all sounds great - but in theory what are the logistics like? Can I migrate current Exchange mailboxes? Can passwords be migrated? Does SSO work? Argh - so many questions. Look forward to reading the documents I've found so far and any replies on here, Gareth
plexer Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Yes you can migrate from from on premises exchange to live@edu you can also split it and have some onesite and some in the cloud. Automatic provisioning and integrated password change can be done but looks to be a complete pain to do and SSO can be setup as well. @ICTNUT has done a fair bit on this lately Ben
plexer Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Yes you can migrate from from on premises exchange to live@edu you can also split it and have some onesite and some in the cloud. Automatic provisioning and integrated password change can be done but looks to be a complete pain to do and SSO can be setup as well. @ICTNUT has done a fair bit on this lately Ben
plexer Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Yes you can migrate from from on premises exchange to live@edu you can also split it and have some onesite and some in the cloud. Automatic provisioning and integrated password change can be done but looks to be a complete pain to do and SSO can be setup as well. @ICTNUT has done a fair bit on this lately Ben
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