Anger at school ban on short skirts

[Midget]

Where I went to school (not worked) it was very strict black blazer, black trousers/long skirt, white shirt/blouse, school tie, and black shoes. One guy decided to wear a skirt to fight the powAr! The teachers all laughed at him but didn't request that he take it off so out of embarasment he never did it again and neither did anyone else.

 

The worst we had was rolled skirts and some fantastically cut (from my point of view ) blouses that some girls wore.

[Gatt]

Yeah we get it here too the inappropriately short skirts, and I dread Non-Uniform days as its not just skirts that become inappropriate...

 

As with TechMonkey, I find myself staying in the office and only going out during lesson time so as not to be put in an embarrasing/awkward/ situation... its worse if they are sitting a few stairs up, at about eye level..

 

I do believe that the minimum skirt length should be just below the knee... or trousers..

[Guest richard_s]

different link, same story but with pictures that make me agree that they should be wearing full length skirts

 

100 pupils walk out of high school in protest at short skirt ban | Mail Online

 

Thankfully I don't eat breakfast

[gibbo_ap]

i think that people are skirting around the issue (haha monday morning pun). As a male member of staff, and quite a young one at that, i feel uncomfortable with girls in short skirts, but across the road the other high school has trousers, very tight trousers, which are worse. I walk to work in the morning and find my self looking at the sky, i can get to work by following certain telegraph polls.

 

seriously tho; when i was a student here, there was a girl who protested that in winter girls can wear trousers. the head suspended her! that was funny, totally unjust but still funny, she was laughing too.... he is my boss now

[Sirbendy]

As to the pics...all I can say is...my gods, short skirts or no, yer onto a loser there.

 

Yes, I'm not PC and I'm not embarrased about it either. We had it here - no uniform code for years..summer was EVIL. THOSE skirts are NOT short compared to what we used to get. Or low cut muffin tops with it all hanging out, quite literally. It got to the point where I refused to a) Be alone in a room, and b) Go under any desks to check cabling etc.

 

I lost count of how many times we had the "whoops, I dropped my pen sir" followed by the deliberate slow bend down and so on. It's all water off a ducks back now. Cellulite..yummy.

 

I did have recourse several times to say "put it away, please", or "You're overflowing", or just occasionally to suggest I should call greenpeace with a harpoon.

 

Introducing a strictly enforced uniform is one of the best things that ever happened here.

 

I used to work in a girls school for a while..now THAT was an interesting experience...lost count of how many times we got flashed..thankfully I had my windows frosted for a reason. Also, synchronised PMT...heh..

Edited June 22, 2009 by Sirbendy

[enjay]

Skirt length is stated in our uniform rules, and teachers will often stop students and get them to roll their skirts back down. As a male staff member, I've never felt comfortable challenging the girls on this, but will alert form tutors to particular offenders.

 

After the way certain individuals in our Sixth Form dressed (and lots more people on non-uniform days) our school rules now contain statements about appropriate dress when not in uniform too.

 

As for the moving around school, I just try and keep my eyes down when going up stairs. As was pointed out earlier, this can be difficult if girls are sat on the stairs, but they don't do this much.

 

In response to leMarchand's comment about young girls being so desperate for male attention, I don't think it is as simple as that. This is an all-girls school, and we still have students in rolled up skirts and revealing outfits on non-uniform.

[Gatt]

There is a push here, albeit inconsistant at times to get uniforms in order. The "trowel effect" is probably the worst - even to the "Tango Effect" for the girls.

Boys - its mainly shirts untucked or trainers

 

The one thing that bugs me though is the 1" tie! - they all have standard length ties but insist on wearing it so short!

 

Now, I refuse to reset a password (et al) for any pupils where shirts are hanging out, the tie is not close the waist, etc - Trainers? Not a chance - that gets them a tour to the appropriate Head of Year - who is informed as soon as they depart..

[jamesb]

There is a push here, albeit inconsistant at times to get uniforms in order. The "trowel effect" is probably the worst - even to the "Tango Effect" for the girls.

Boys - its mainly shirts untucked or trainers

 

The one thing that bugs me though is the 1" tie! - they all have standard length ties but insist on wearing it so short!

 

Now, I refuse to reset a password (et al) for any pupils where shirts are hanging out, the tie is not close the waist, etc - Trainers? Not a chance - that gets them a tour to the appropriate Head of Year - who is informed as soon as they depart..

 

 

I've never understood the tie thing. I mean, I could understand them not wanting to wear a tie but I just really don't get why so many kids seem so desperately to want to look like clowns.

[enjay]

Now, I refuse to reset a password (et al) for any pupils where shirts are hanging out, the tie is not close the waist, etc

 

We had a girl show up at the Staff Room to reclaim her confiscated mobile, while wearing loads of make-up. The teacher sent her to wash it off before returning the phone, along with a detention for the make-up! :-)

 

Do you enforce the same policy for girls or just the boys? I'm just conscious that it can be harder/uncomfortable/awkward telling a girl to do up another button or roll her skirt back down, much more so than telling a boy to sort his tie out.

[Gatt]

Personally, as in covering my arse (parden the pun), I refer to the Form Tutor or Head of Year regarding skirts.. As I do if I have to get them to adjust ties, shirts, etc

[enjay]

I've never understood the tie thing. I mean, I could understand them not wanting to wear a tie but I just really don't get why so many kids seem so desperately to want to look like clowns.

 

When I was at school, the "fashion" with ties was to wear them with the thin end out, rather than the conventional way. Oddly, I seem to remember thinking it was cool, but that's another story! One teacher would always do a uniform check on the door every lesson, and we would go to great - often quite imaginative - lengths to get one of these ties past him, including hanging the fat end out the bottom of the jumper, so it was visible and looked like the tie was being worn properly. On our last lesson, a load of people wore the ties the correct way round, but cut the stitching up the back so it could go really wide, making it more like an apron than a tie!

 

At my wife's school, I understand that there are generally two ways of wearing ties - 1) correctly, 2) tied Rambo-style around the head!

[sparkeh]

When I was at school, the "fashion" with ties was to wear them with the thin end out, rather than the conventional way. Oddly, I seem to remember thinking it was cool

 

Haha just reminded me thats how I wore mine - what a rebel!

 

I was: thin tie with knot half way down shirt, top button undone, shirt untucked and scruffy trainers. Seems that if you got good grades it was let slide.

[witch]

I think the reason the boys change the way they wear their tie is because it is something they can do to the uniform that is a little bit 'different'. When my boys wore theirs, the fashion was to have as fat a knot as possible, with a very short bit sticking out. The tie was only just visible anyway under a sweatshirt with a very slight v neck.

I've always thought that it is unfair that a lot of schools make the boys wear ties and not the girls (and yes, I do have a daughter as well)

 

Speaking of non-uniform - the middle school (up to yr 8) I work in had it today and girls in years 7 and 8 (so they are 12 and 13) were dressed in all sorts of low cut and off the shoulder tops.Completely unsuitable and very unfair on the boys who at that age are all ragiing hormones. The staff have requested a note about what is suitable to go out to the parents.

[Midget]

When my boys wore theirs, the fashion was to have as fat a knot as possible, with a very short bit sticking out.

Did they ecome estate agents or car salesmen? They do this too.

[CAM]

Well if you thought that was bad, anyone read this? , now thats pretty bad especially from a head teacher!!

 

If I was told to close all my profiles I'd return a very rude response!

 

She was a scruffy pupil, so what? How many decades ago was that? And what goes on your wall posted by others is nothing to do with your own opinions.

 

Just another Daily Mail non-news shuffle.

[OverWorked]

Well if you thought that was bad, anyone read this? , now thats pretty bad especially from a head teacher!!

 

Belinda Bliss - That's the sort of name you find in a certain kind of video. Couldn't help that.

[LeMarchand]

In response to leMarchand's comment about young girls being so desperate for male attention, I don't think it is as simple as that. This is an all-girls school, and we still have students in rolled up skirts and revealing outfits on non-uniform.

 

St. Trinian's was an all-girls school...

 

We need the Edugeek ladies to explain why girls do this. If it is just a "rebellion" thing, why does it have to involve sexualisation? Why not a silly tie thing like the boys? Or why don't boys "rebel" by undoing their shirts to their navels?

[contink]

We need the Edugeek ladies to explain why girls do this. If it is just a "rebellion" thing, why does it have to involve sexualisation? Why not a silly tie thing like the boys? Or why don't boys "rebel" by undoing their shirts to their navels?

I would have thought this was pretty obvious...

 

Hark back to your teens when you were busy dealing with raging hormones, sense of self-identity, your voice cracking all over the shop, bits growing, etc... at the worst possible times... new feelings, etc... It was never about anything other than sex as near as I could tell

 

I dunno about you lot but we had things like wearing grey instead of white shirts, or white socks instead of the grey ones... then there was stuff like ornate belt buckles, tying your tie so it was the wrong way round and thinner, with the thick end tucked in your shirt..

 

As I remember it, it was simply a chance to stand out, rebel, push the boundaries a little and see when someone would pounce on you and put you back in line.

[jamesb]

St. Trinian's was an all-girls school...

 

We need the Edugeek ladies to explain why girls do this. If it is just a "rebellion" thing, why does it have to involve sexualisation? Why not a silly tie thing like the boys? Or why don't boys "rebel" by undoing their shirts to their navels?

 

Societal pressures in upbringing.

 

Society doesn't define men as being sexualised by wearing revealing clothing, but by performing feats of strength and general macho bravado.

 

Women on the other hand are seen as sexualised by wearing revealing clothing.

 

Stereotypical, yes, but that's kind of the point.

 

I'm not sure if its so much rebellion as the feeling of entering adulthood, and an undefined need to be 'grown up'. Since most of the adult world centres around the pursuit of one thing its only natural that children should be pushing to be seen in that way.

[LeMarchand]

Society doesn't define men as being sexualised by wearing revealing clothing, but by performing feats of strength and general macho bravado.

 

I'd disagree: what about the Chippendales? Or do an image search on Dantes Cove (possibly NSFW!) Maybe guys don't have the (possibly mistaken) confidence/body to flaunt it...

 

I'm not sure if its so much rebellion as the feeling of entering adulthood, and an undefined need to be 'grown up'. Since most of the adult world centres around the pursuit of one thing its only natural that children should be pushing to be seen in that way.

 

I can see that; but it's starting earlier and earlier, and it's not helped by marketing "sexy" pants for Primary age girls or things like those hideous Slutz dolls.

[jamesb]

I'd disagree: what about the Chippendales? Or do an image search on Dantes Cove (possibly NSFW!) Maybe guys don't have the (possibly mistaken) confidence/body to flaunt it...

 

The number of men in that line of work is dwarfed by the number of women.

 

I can see that; but it's starting earlier and earlier, and it's not helped by marketing "sexy" pants for Primary age girls or things like those hideous Slutz dolls.

 

I didn't (and wouldn't) say that its a good thing, just that the reasons for it are logical.

 

Not only that but we're currently going through a decadent cycle, as rebellion against previous culture. Give it a half-century or so, maybe a whole one, and we'll be back to Victorian-level standards of decency.

[LeMarchand]

Give it a half-century or so, maybe a whole one, and we'll be back to Victorian-level standards of decency.

 

Huzzah!

[jamesb]

Huzzah!

 

Exactly!

 

I'm just hoping I live long enough for it to be acceptable for me to wear a waistcoat and tophat in public, and carry a walking cane.

[mossj]

Exactly!

 

I'm just hoping I live long enough for it to be acceptable for me to wear a waistcoat and tophat in public, and carry a walking cane.

 

Why wait! Wonder if work would class it as 'smart dress'...

[jamesb]

I already get a few comments for wearing cufflinks, I think going for the full morning suit might be pushing it.

 

Edit: Then again Steampunk is gaining in popularity as a fashion, it could happen.