juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 I work in a school's IT department. Recently windows automatic updates have been blowing up our allotted bandwidth. We have decided to blacklist/block windows updates on a mass scale by simply adding it to our blacklist in our 8e6 filter. The problem we have is that we're not sure what ip/url to use to block the updates. Sure, we could go computer to computer turning the automatic updates off but when you have over 500 computers, that's kind of time consuming. Thanks!
AJT1 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Why don't you introduce something like WSUS to keep your computers up to date? It would be far safer than not updating your pc's at all.
powdarrmonkey Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 +1 for WSUS. Not permitting updates isn't really a long-term solution.
Gatt Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Another for WSUS... Also means your PCs update quicker too..
elsiegee40 Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Or turn them off in group policy Why don't you introduce something like WSUS to keep your computers up to date? It would be far safer than not updating your pc's at all. Do both! Far and away the best thing to do
tom_newton Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 You may be able to lower the bandwidth allocated to windows updates if you are talking non-domain PCs. Turning em off would be, as others have said, mental
juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Author Posted November 14, 2008 We have the updates taken care of...they'll still get their updates through another program we use. But I need to know what either the IP or URL is where the updates come from. Thanks for your help all!
somabc Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Yeah right this is a joke isn't? To save costs on Power I am going to randomly turn 20% of my PC's off during the day, think of the money I'll save! You are going to turn off Windows Updates to save bandwidth. How much bandwidth do you think you will save when your machines are pumping out spam? You have 500 PC's downloading each update, why not have 1? Use WSUS you download each update ONCE then deploy it to each machine. It is the most efficient method and lets you use reporting to see which updates are installed on which machines. Edited November 14, 2008 by somabc
juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Author Posted November 14, 2008 Oh yeah, we're running Novell 4.91 / XP Pro.
juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Author Posted November 14, 2008 We have a program which does what WSUS does...all I'm asking is if Automatic Updates has an IP address. Our computers will STILL be getting the updates just via another channel.
somabc Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Oh yeah, we're running Novell 4.91 / XP Pro. There's your problem!
juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Author Posted November 14, 2008 Can anyone actually answer my question or do you all just want to hack at me for asking this question? If there's no answer, fine, tell me.
somabc Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) ok ok, its just you should have mentioned novell in your first post. you can try blocking a248.e.akamai.net requests for Microsoft Corporation no longer resolve to machines on Microsoft’s own network, but instead are handled by the Akamai caching system and the actual Akamai server you connect to will differ according to your location on the internet and may vary from request to request. So difficult to block. telnet update.microsoft.com http Trying 65.55.184.29... Connected to update.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. update.microsoft.com. IN A ANSWER SECTION: update.microsoft.com. 3600 IN CNAME update.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. update.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. 300 IN CNAME www.update.microsoft.com. www.update.microsoft.com. 804 IN CNAME www.update.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. www.update.microsoft.com.nsatc.net. 55 IN A 65.55.200.157 nsatc.net Edited November 14, 2008 by somabc
juventus Posted November 14, 2008 Author Posted November 14, 2008 I didn't even think to include it since I wasn't asking about my network...I was only asking what the IP/URL was for automatic updates. Thanks for the answer.
tom_newton Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Don't block akmai - it will break other things. Windows update is pretty easy to bust if you block update.microsoft.com and a couple of others. Check your filter logs whilst they are updating - if you are still having trouble i can check our whitelists monday.
somabc Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 Don't block akmai - it will break other things. Windows update is pretty easy to bust if you block update.microsoft.com and a couple of others. Check your filter logs whilst they are updating - if you are still having trouble i can check our whitelists monday. That's true akamai is used by lots of of other sites to deliver data.
Hightower Posted November 14, 2008 Posted November 14, 2008 I know you wanted an IP address and it appears you got that (in the end). But as mentioned earlier in the topic - could you not use GPO to disable automatic updates? Like you say, you have a method of updating the machines so surely this would be the safest way?
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