EduTech Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 I Have the new build also, again on a VPC and runs fairly well.. but like gatt said i have a spare machine here so think i install it on there and see how it runs on a Pentium D with 2gig ram =] James.
Andrew_C Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 If Micro$oft have any morals, they won't charge more than about £35 for this Vista upgrade. Can I have some of whatever you're smoking? Funny thing is when you mention M$ and morals; all I can think of is ally-cats.
shutdownplease Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 you dont need a key to install. It gives you xx days cant remember 120 I think? Over the weekend MS were giving out product keys (for both 32 and 64 bit versions) for presumably longer usage beyond 30 days (havent had the courage yet to try the demo)
Gatt Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Just started installing it on a spare PC in the office...
gshaw Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 Just installed the beta on Hyper-V... bit of a letdown really imo Seems like it's Vista... for dummies with a cheap looking taskbar Feels OK in performance although only true way to tell would be to install it on one of our old Sempron boxes Can't see anything that says "wow must have that", really it's a rather cynical Vista SP2 rebrand at the moment, hope it gets better further down the line...
Quackers Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I think it would be funny if business/education give it the same backlash as they did Vista and XP still stays king. Would be interesting to see how Microsoft would respond to it.
Gatt Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) A "useful" feature - they've added "power button action:" drop down the the start menu properties - rather than havign to hunt through the power applet to change it! Finally seen sence and added the Screen Res to the Desktop Context Menu.. seems speedy on a P4 with 2GB ram - which was sluggish with Vista, though it failed to detect my NIC which Vista didn't have an issue with! Edited January 12, 2009 by Gatt
Guest Guest Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I think it would be funny if business/education give it the same backlash as they did Vista and XP still stays king. Would be interesting to see how Microsoft would respond to it. Maybe they'd then get their finger out of their ass and make something people actually want rather than filling an OS full of bloated junk and then having the cheek to tell their customers they are stupid for not being fooled... maybe even impliment some of the things which have been in the pipeline for years, WinFS and a decent audio protocol spring to mind. From what ive used of Win7 its certainly a step forward from Vista, but tbh i have a feeling its only because in Beta its just a striped down version of Vista
synaesthesia Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 I've been playing with this extensively, and so far I'm very impressed with it. The tweaks, substantial in number but subtle in effect change it from having the "confusing" setup you get with Vista, a new user could often spend ages looking for what they want which was a step back even from XP. Now it's challenging and imo surpassing OSX in user interface intuition. The performance is excellent - in a VM on here it runs at the same speed as the host (Vista x64). It also runs as a primary OS on one of my laptops - an El Awful Emachines 2ghz Celeron/1gb ram - and it's quicker than XP by quite a margin. On a separate partition on this high powered machine it's like greased excrement off a shovel. Some of the features are looking promising - the clunky and outright confusing networking system (from a UI pov) in Vista has been ditched and forgotten about, and the HomeGroups addition is a breath of fresh air from the POV of a newer user - and, unlike Vista even in the hands of some hardened windows gurus, just works. The Ribbon interface has found its way into some of the built in apps - wordpad, paint as two examples. I personally *hate* it but many new users seem to love it and find it a lot easier to use - which can't be bad. I probably only hate it as I love seeing file/edit/format/ etc toolbars and I'm a stick-in-the-mud Bugs : there's a few slight issues - long FQ domain names, some issues with Adobe CS4 and a couple of memory leaks noticed by many with the start menu - all however expected from a beta OS release. Considering this *is* a beta, both myself and many other people believe it's rather more polished than Vista was at release stage. I certainly feel it's what Vista should have been, and feel slightly begrudged that this isn't the OS released in February 2007. If it was, MS would have saved themselves rather a lot of hassle and adverse publicity. For the time being though, it looks like they're onto a winner - an OS that's easier to use, works quickly and behaves (almost) as it should. As for "things missing, being a beta" comments I'm seeing a lot of, mostly from people that haven't actually used, seen or tried it, it's very complete. It is in fact the "Ultimate" version, which like Vista should contain just about everything. Installed it's a smidgen under 7gb which is less than an installation of Vista Basic. So 10gb will easily get you a high performance office system, leaving more room for your Roflcat picture collection and iTunes repositories I'm currently hammering it with a bit of high-demand application - running VMWare with 7 as a host, emulating an 8 machine network with domain controller, and it seems rather more responsive than with Vista as a host. The tweaks may be subtle but they just seem to work. But, and the big but - let's reserve judgement for the release candidates and the RTM where it matters to the important people - the customers Oh and as a signing off little tip: if anyone's having issues with drivers, the Vista drivers for just about everything *will* work: you may however need to run the setup file in "Vista Compatibility Mode" for it to work - creative shams X-Fi cards are a common one for this. 2
Sirbendy Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) [quote=gshaw;272448... only true way to tell would be to install it on one of our old Sempron boxes ] Strange you should say that...My main Sempron64 1.6 is creaking on XPSP3, so I'm aiming for a reinstall anyway, and might just go for this for a laugh.. Edited January 15, 2009 by Sirbendy
Quackers Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Has anybody ever managed to get around this problem i'm having (we have the same in Vista too) We create a local user account with just normal user privilages, like we would in XP/2000. We logon, customise this how we want, run Office 2003 to get rid of the Installer on first run, and do any little app tweaks. We log off, go to the User Profile Manager, click this profile , do "copy to" C:\Users\Default User and set the Security to Everyone. It never works, Vista will say "you have been logged on with a tempory profile due to an issue with your profile" and Windows 7 says "The user profile service was unable to load your profile" I cannot find anything on the net saying we should be doing some other step in Vista/Windows 7. Am i missing one out?
k-strider Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 this may be related or a similar issue of just deleteing the user profile from the %systemdrive%\users folder. there is a corrisponding registery tree as well as the directory and in Vista / 2008 TS if you remove just the directory you get the same error message.. perhaps the defualt user prof probs you are having is the opposite to this or maybe you need to assign eveyone rights to the appropriate part of the reg hive too.. cant remember where it is not at work any more but they are all listed under a folder called Profiles or something... interesting Delprof doesn't work either as it misses out cleaning this the registry part of the user profiles..
saundersmatt Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Has anybody ever managed to get around this problem i'm having (we have the same in Vista too) We create a local user account with just normal user privilages, like we would in XP/2000. We logon, customise this how we want, run Office 2003 to get rid of the Installer on first run, and do any little app tweaks. We log off, go to the User Profile Manager, click this profile , do "copy to" C:\Users\Default User and set the Security to Everyone. It never works, Vista will say "you have been logged on with a tempory profile due to an issue with your profile" and Windows 7 says "The user profile service was unable to load your profile" I cannot find anything on the net saying we should be doing some other step in Vista/Windows 7. Am i missing one out? I noticed this with Vista, you need to use the built in profile copying functions, doing it manually like you always have with XP doesn't work. Control Panel -> System -> Advanced System Settings -> User Profiles, Settings -> Copy To Good Luck Matt
ahuxham Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Long speech. . . [snipped] I agree with everything you had to say. 7 is clearly the OS of the future, they've done it right this time.
Gatt Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 This feature looks like it could be useful... Using the Problem Steps Recorder Tool (PSR) in Windows 7 - The Winhelponline Blog
mrforgetful Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Yeah I like that, and the 'Snipping Tool'
Gatt Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Snipping tool is good - but neither the Vista tool or the Win7 tool can cope with Menus.. the PSR has potential - not just for faults - but for also using as a basic "How To..." tool..
mrforgetful Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I do like the PSR, but I was confused as to why the steps are shown only in a webpage as opposed to being an actual video with notations...
synaesthesia Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 This is why the "feedback" option is apparent on (nearly) all the windows in windows 7
jwiese Posted April 24, 2009 Posted April 24, 2009 Snipping tool is good - but neither the Vista tool or the Win7 tool can cope with Menus.. the PSR has potential - not just for faults - but for also using as a basic "How To..." tool.. Acutally, they both support screen captures of menus. The problem is it is not an obvious process. if you dig into the help file you will find it relatively easily, here's the online help: Use Snipping Tool to capture screen shots - Windows Vista Help John Wiese ISV Architect Evangelist Microsoft 1
Scottyboy99 Posted April 24, 2009 Posted April 24, 2009 I agree with everything you had to say. 7 is clearly the OS of the future, they've done it right this time. +1 I really enjoy using W7
Diello Posted April 25, 2009 Posted April 25, 2009 Well TechNet & MSDN get the RC on the 30th (I know what I'm doing that day!), public on 5th May.
farmerste Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 i don't think they have got it 'right' yet, things are a bit easier to find than in visturd, but for me there are still several major flaws, the main one is you can't set up a default local profile without using the 'sysprep' tool !!!--- WTF??, And a classic start menu/desktop, look/feel is definately missing, and also the silly number of folders, why not just stick with 'my documents'?? As for useablility in school, or for small children/special needs, i will have to do masses of work to make windows 7 actually 'user friendly' and i'm sure it will never be as customiseable as windows xp. So apart from the speed improvements, and a few annoyances removed, i'd give it 4/10, as perhaps one person at microsh@ft maybe got stuck in a lift, and actually had to listen to someone 'in the real world' who actually had to endure ( nor use) their products. Which is probably the reason for the changes -lol moan over
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