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nawbus

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And in the meantime the rest of the IT industry rapidly dissapears over the horizon. Microsoft rapdily need to provide home apps and XP add-ons, but this kind of delay (even if it is only 2 months will push them over a mental barrier which has it realeased in an entirely different year to that which was origianally promised. From a consumer point of view XP was relased in 2001 and Vista in 2007. 6 years between a major OS release!!
nawbus

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If they do release in January, there is going to be a lot of upset people who bought PCs at Christmas with XP on, only to find their nice new shiny PC is out of date!
Geoff

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I liked this thread on the WINE mailing list,

 

http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2006-March/045571.html

 

"So there we have it - this appears to be the first release in which they simply started dropping APIs."

 

"And, therefore, the first time for which we can categorically state that Wine will be more compatible with Windows applications than Windows itself."

 

"Not to mention that they're handing a near-fatal blow to OpenGL support, too."

 

etc, :)

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That's what I was thinking! Surely it would be more logical to release new PC's with Vista installed to the public before Christmas then supply it to businesses in the new year. I cannot (in my view) see many organisations buying, testing and deploying Vista before Christmas. It's just too short a time scale and isn't realistic at all.
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Good point. I'll bet laptop and PC sales will be well down over the xmas period. Dell will have something to say about that!

 

Unlikely. Microsoft have historically always offered free upgrades to newer versions of Windows if a person buys a PC about three months before a new release of Windows. They did it with 98, ME and XP. I don't see why they wouldn't do that with Vista as well.

nawbus

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Unlikely. Microsoft have historically always offered free upgrades to newer versions of Windows if a person buys a PC about three months before a new release of Windows. They did it with 98, ME and XP. I don't see why they wouldn't do that with Vista as well.

 

Dunno about that, I suspect that sales would be down. BUT, when Vista is released and if there is a free upgrade, you can be sure we are going to get a lot of extra visitors saying 'I had this PC for Christmas and I've got this Vista thingy - what do I do????'

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I KNEW IT!!! :twisted: I even took a screenshot of the Vista homepage that says "Coming 2006" because I was certain that it wouldn't :lol: :lol:
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TBH, as an official Beta Tester of it for Microsoft, I feel that Vista is in poor shape still, and they were going to have to pull some amazing strings to get it working better. We get a new build once a month for it (with Server 2003 R2 it was sometimes 1 a week!!)

 

The number of people I have spoken to via MSN and e-mail outside of the closed /confidential newsgroups they host for us that say the same things, its crashing far to often, on brand new kit. Its hanging, its freezing, many big name apps are still not working properly such as Adobe Photoshop CS2, and Illustrator, Macromeida etc.... Key publishers and current, latest version are just not working, even slightly in some cases!

 

The big hardware companys are making beta drivers (such as ATI, Nvidia, Via, Realtek, Intel etc) to support major things like chipsets, major sound cards (lets face it there are a huge number of Realtek on-board sound setups!) and they work in one release, and not the next, and it can be 2 or 3 full builds before they start to work again! Now fine the drivers from the big names are all Beta, but its MSFT that break the code, and then the big names start to change theres again, and then MSFT change it back.

 

At work we were looking at a Crimbo deploy originally, if it got a Sept launch to Corperate customers, as 4 months is enough time for us to test it on Academic stuff which is where it will start the ball off, but I realistically expect not to see it on PCs in PC world etc and for purchase until Easter 2007, and its still going to be missing many many features, so I would say its going to go further back. I can pritty much confirm that we will have an official SP3 for XP and SP2 if not SP3 for Server 2003 (as this will shove the LH server back as well). So Billy G its not all good news today, so who knows where we will be in 12 months time, will I be on Vista or XP SP3? Who knows!

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I agree with you John.

 

I've just installed the December 5270 build (it's my first use of Vista) and I am astonished they thought it would be ready for 2007.

 

While the general use is ok - the moment you want to use anything real - like CS2, DW, it throws a wobbler.

 

My initial worries are not the general use of it, but more the installation.

 

It took me 2 attempts on my laptop (which was a fresh, formatted HDD), and on my desktop PC, a high-end beast, it's still not working. It's corrupted my MBR 3 times and won't even get past the initial setup screen now without locking my PC completely up.

 

Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect it to be an easy ride - but still I thought it'll be better than this, considering they originally planned for it to be released in a number of months. At least I understand why they've put it back to January.

 

I can't wait for the final though. It's looking amazing.

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Vista does look great, but I'm sorry to say I found nothing new functionality wise that's going to make me want to upgrade. Build 5270 is fairly relevant as it's what MS consider to be feature complete so what we see now is what we'll get. Very disappointing (in my opinion).

 

The fact many popular or common applications such as the well known Photoshop CS2 (as mentioned above) throws a wobbler is a little worrying. The difference between 2000 and XP OS is minimal and again this seems to be the case with XP and Vista. Bearing in mind XP was released in 2001, MS have greatly disappointed me in what they've delivered with Vista.

 

The product will inevitably sell well in the public domain, because consumers buy a computer which 99.999% of the time is pre-loaded with the latest and greatest version of MS Windows, but I feel in the corporate arena many will remain static with 2000 and XP or of course migrate to Linux. I believe Windows 2000 still has as much as 48% of the corporate market and XP with around 35%.

 

IE7, MP11, Windows Defender and Office 2007 will all be available and compatible with XP SP2, so it gives me less of an incentive to upgrade. Maybe Vista is more secure internally, but will the average Joe Bloggs care about this? No not really. I think at the rate we're going we'll be well into 2007 before Vista Final is finally born.

Guest metalmonkey

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I'd like to use the lastest release of beta, but unfortunately, we're waiting on Technet to produce the goods.
nawbus

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Trouble with all this is that MS are in danger of losing a lot of credibility by saying it'll be available on one date, then another, then another, oo it's not quite ready yet, the dog ate it! etc.

 

The other point is that I can't see the need for Vista at the mo. XP is running on my machines quite nicely thank you. It's not like it was going from 98 / ME to XP.

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I agree nawbus. MS's decision to move all future OS's to an NT kernal was a good idea as 2000/XP are by far superior from a security and stability perspective compared to 95/98.

 

MS have most probably made various enhancements to NT6, but again, most people are not technical and most people don't care. I think MS have failed miserably to enhance the user experience when it comes to functionality. Visually MS have improved things a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are applications out there which can transform XP to look like Vista in many respects.

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Windows Vista availability

• Business in November 2006

• Consumer in January 2007

We remain on target to deliver an end-user Beta of Microsoft Windows Vista in the second quarter of 2006. Our current schedule delivers Windows Vista in the second half of 2006. We continue to prioritise customer and Partner satisfaction for broad availability of Windows Vista; as such, we will be making Vista available directly to our business customers in November via our Volume Licensing programme and targeting broad consumer availability and new PCs in January of 2007.

Gold and Certified Partners will be able to access the Vista Beta through their Partner Programme MSDN subscription. To maximise your business opportunities, our launch activity will direct customers to the Microsoft Resource Directory to find a Gold or Certified Partner.

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