ChatGPT generates Windows 11 keys

[Dos_Box]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but wow - https://www.neowin.net/news/chatgpt-and-google-bard-used-to-generate-working-kind-of-windows-10-and-11-keys/

I do have to ask if your schools allow access to ChatGPT, and if so, have any risk assesments taken place as I can see 'curious' kids having fun trying to circumvent network security to go-a-roaming around afer giving ChatGPT the information it needs to form a solution.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Dos_Box

[kennysarmy]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but wow - https://www.neowin.net/news/chatgpt-and-google-bard-used-to-generate-working-kind-of-windows-10-and-11-keys/

I do have to ask if your schools allow access to ChatGPT, and if so, have any risk assesments taken place as I can see 'curious' kids having fun trying to circumvent network security to go-a-roaming around afer giving ChatGPT the information it needs to form a solution.

 

How do you block it on their own mobile phones?

[Andycat]

We were told to block them all pretty quickly, although I'm sure there will be a compromise eventually.

[CHiLL]

We had instructions from an exam board a few month ago to block access to specific AI/ML sites due to cheating concerns and ChatGPT was obviously one of those. It's a best effort job anyway, we can only control access on school owned devices, not their personal devices.

[mavhc]

Why would the exam board care? Also ChatGPT can't make Windows keys.

 

Might as well block the whole internet in case there's something of interest to students on it.

 

I remember when it was good old ChatMBR

[CHiLL]

Why would the exam board care? Also ChatGPT can't make Windows keys.

 

Might as well block the whole internet in case there's something of interest to students on it.

 

I remember when it was good old ChatMBR

It came from our computing teacher and I believe it was from JCQ. They see a risk of students using ChatGPT et al to generate coursework.

[AlistairB1983]

Why would the exam board care?

 

For the same reason they care about 'essay writing' services or similar - it's potential malpractice.

[Theblacksheep]

 

Might as well block the whole internet in case there's something of interest to students on it.

 

Nonsense and gov guidance says this:

 

Education institutions must continue to protect their students from harmful content online, including that which might be produced by generative AI.

 

Giving them access to generative tools is not protecting them.

[mavhc]

If you can't block sites based on the content that appears in the html in real time then you're not protecting students from harmful content online

[CHiLL]

If you can't block sites based on the content that appears in the html in real time then you're not protecting students from harmful content online

I'm not sure that's necessarily relevant, the exam boards want these sites blocked to prevent cheating and it's our job to implement that. We all know that regardless of which filtering service is used, it's always possible to find harmful content. Does that mean we shouldn't bother at all? No, that's why we have other behaviour procedures in place.

[mavhc]

But what's stopping anyone using their home network to write essays?

[Theblacksheep]

But what's stopping anyone using their home network to write essays?

 

Whats stopping them watching porn at home?

 

Its about the service we are providing.

[CHiLL]

But what's stopping anyone using their home network to write essays?

Nothing, we have no remit over their personal devices. However, we have to ensure we have systems in place to prevent them (as much as possible) from accessing things they shouldn't when they are under our supervision or using devices that we provide, and this is something that the exam boards deem as an area to block.

[mavhc]

Not sure exam boards can tell us what to block when there's a million positive things it can be used for, next they'll tell us to block google.

[robintech]

It came from our computing teacher and I believe it was from JCQ. They see a risk of students using ChatGPT et al to generate coursework.

 

Got this from JCQ website and it makes sense for coursework, practicals that it should be blocked

https://www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/malpractice/artificial-intelligence/

 

a) Consider restricting access to online AI tools on centre devices and networks;

b) Ensure that access to online AI tools is restricted on centre devices used for exams;

[mavhc]

Is offline AI ok then?

[CHiLL]

Got this from JCQ website and it makes sense for coursework, practicals that it should be blocked

https://www.jcq.org.uk/exams-office/malpractice/artificial-intelligence/

 

a) Consider restricting access to online AI tools on centre devices and networks;

b) Ensure that access to online AI tools is restricted on centre devices used for exams;

Oh ok, so aside from devices used to sit exams (for access arrangements, Peason POP, etc), it's more of a recommendation to block. But as an insitution, we have to be vigilant about malpractice in work that is submitted, like old essay writing services, etc.

 

Is offline AI ok then?

If you're allowing students to install and use offline tools on school systems, I suspect there might also be other things you'd need to worry about.

[mavhc]

Well, they can run python, and that's most of AI things, just amusing it says Online. Some LLMs are small enough to run on a smartphone

 

Does it include spell / grammar check? Those are online now, and offer corrections.

 

It seems to imply, but not state, that it means generative AI

 

Also what's with the side quest about Image generation AI? Which is then never mentioned again?

 

Not only are exams the last time in your life you won't have internet access, they're also the last time in your life you won't have AI.

 

Is a student doing something more than taking all their inputs during their life and outputting the next most likely word for their essay?

[AlistairB1983]

Not only are exams the last time in your life you won't have internet access, they're also the last time in your life you won't have AI.

Is a student doing something more than taking all their inputs during their life and outputting the next most likely word for their essay?

According to JCQ, yes.

 

Regardless of whatever our own personal opinions on the subject are, the fact is JCQ have set down a number of rules and regulations which have to be followed. Failure to do so could lead to not only individual candidate malpractice, and thereby risk their qualifications, but centre malpractice which risks the qualifications of every student.

 

Is our current system of examinations fit for purpose? Hell no. As someone who works within it I can give you a whole list of different ways/reasons that it needs to be fixed. Unfortunately it's not up to me to do the fixing - all I can do is operate within the boundaries laid down by JCQ. And this is one such boundary - no access to ChatGPT/similar.

[mavhc]

There is no rule that says you must ban AI websites. There is a rule that says students can't use them without acknowledging it as a source, but that's the same old rule from 100 years ago. They also can't quote from books without acknowledging the source

[CHiLL]

Well, they can run python, and that's most of AI things, just amusing it says Online. Some LLMs are small enough to run on a smartphone

 

Does it include spell / grammar check? Those are online now, and offer corrections.

 

It seems to imply, but not state, that it means generative AI

 

Also what's with the side quest about Image generation AI? Which is then never mentioned again?

If there's one thing we've all learned working in education, you cannot rely on an exam board staying ontop of technology and/or it's terminology.

 

Not only are exams the last time in your life you won't have internet access, they're also the last time in your life you won't have AI.

 

Is a student doing something more than taking all their inputs during their life and outputting the next most likely word for their essay?

At an absolute basic level, yes. However you're requiring the student to study, retain and recall the information. Using AI or essay writers means they aren't doing that and therefore not actually learning.

 

 

There is no rule that says you must ban AI websites. There is a rule that says students can't use them without acknowledging it as a source, but that's the same old rule from 100 years ago. They also can't quote from books without acknowledging the source

They must it must be blocked during an actual assessment and I wouldn't rule out it becoming a block dictated by the DfE, unless there are specific courses designed around it.

Edited June 20, 2023 by CHiLL

[sigma]

Not to mention "paraphrasing tools" that I caught one pupil using in school a couple of years ago.

 

I also monitor what pupils do in Python with Impero taking a screenshot when particular commands are used.

 

I am a bit of a pedant on Ts&Cs and Privacy Policies. We don't have a 6th form, so sites that state you must be 18 to have an account have "account access" blocked for pupils. That includes ChatGPT.

[AlistairB1983]

There is no rule that says you must ban AI websites. There is a rule that says students can't use them without acknowledging it as a source, but that's the same old rule from 100 years ago. They also can't quote from books without acknowledging the source

Whilst there doesn't exist a rule saying you must impose a blanket ban on AI websites, JCQ's recent guidance makes it clear that not only must there be an ban during assessments, it also says that a universal ban should be considered:

 

To prevent misuse, education and awareness of staff and students is likely to be key. Here are some actions which should be taken (many of these will already be in place in centres as these are not new requirements):

a) Consider restricting access to online AI tools on centre devices and networks;

b) Ensure that access to online AI tools is restricted on centre devices used for exams

[mavhc]

Isn't the internet banned during assessments anyway?

[AlistairB1983]

Isn't the internet banned during assessments anyway?

For the overwhelming majority of assessments, yes.