nicholab Posted October 10, 2022 Author Posted October 10, 2022 Another question on learning to ride is it possible to get learner insurance to cover a bike for the direct access test? I want to know if I can get my Tiger 800 ABS insured to do the test on? My instructor has test already that day.
Andrew_C Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 Hmmm... Insurance for a bike you're not yet licenced to ride. That might be a challenge! I assume by your last bit that your instructor's bike isn't available?
nicholab Posted October 10, 2022 Author Posted October 10, 2022 Hmmm... Insurance for a bike you're not yet licenced to ride. That might be a challenge! I assume by your last bit that your instructor's bike isn't available? Yes that correct I have a rider than can get the Bike there. Instructor bike is in use and this is the first test to come up in ages and the local test centre. This is something that you can select for car use.
FragglePete Posted October 10, 2022 Posted October 10, 2022 What helmet have people got for their motorbike? Looked at a Shoe Neotech 2. It taking so long to get anywhere with learning to ride a bike. I just changed school as I could not get lessons at a steady pace. Shark Evo ES - First time I've had a modular helmet and I'm quite taken by it. It's not the quietest, but I ride with ear plugs anyway so it's not a problem. Suits the bike; Suzuki V-Strom 1000 Pete
foofighterjim Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 Yes that correct I have a rider than can get the Bike there. Instructor bike is in use and this is the first test to come up in ages and the local test centre. This is something that you can select for car use. Last time I looked (and this was some time ago), if you have a provisional license you can ride under instruction (such as your test), this can be from an approved instructor or someone with an advanced qualification, such as RoSPA Gold. It therefore stands to reason that you must be able to get insurance, but it probably won't be overly cheap, if you ask you may be able to insurance for a single day to keep the cost down. My recommendation would be to contact Bennetts, they aren't always the cheapest but they do actually review things and make concessions where applicable.
Bompalompalomp Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 Been riding nearly 10 years, when it comes to the Mod 1 it might just be me being 5'6" but I wouldn't have been too comfortable doing the manual handling on a Tiger 800. Usually the riding school's bikes are deliberately pretty low and easy to move. I did mine on an ER5, got a Suzuki GS500 for a few years and now have a Honda Rebel. I'm still on A2 licence, but that's because I did my Mods before I turned 24 and I'm fine with a 500cc because the process of redoing them when I'd only get a 650 seems stupid.
FragglePete Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 Been riding nearly 10 years, when it comes to the Mod 1 it might just be me being 5'6" but I wouldn't have been too comfortable doing the manual handling on a Tiger 800. Usually the riding school's bikes are deliberately pretty low and easy to move. I did mine on an ER5, got a Suzuki GS500 for a few years and now have a Honda Rebel. I'm still on A2 licence, but that's because I did my Mods before I turned 24 and I'm fine with a 500cc because the process of redoing them when I'd only get a 650 seems stupid. I pity anybody wanting to ride a decent bike these days and it just seems so complicated. I passed my test in 1990; was just a Part 1 and Part 2. Part 1 being around cones, figure of eight, varying pace, etc and then Part 2 being followed by an examiner and then I could ride anything..... which, looking back is extremely scary and silly that I could go from a Kawasaki AR125 to anything, like a FZR-1000EXUP. Thankfully, I survived on a Honda Superdream 250, then a Suzuki GSX550-EE. I get it makes it all safer, but just feel that we're not getting the younger riders that we could get. I'm an IAM advance rider, and the group I ride with are all 60+ with all brand new bikes (they seem to have the money) we just don't get younger riders coming through much. Pete 2
foofighterjim Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 at we're not getting the younger riders that we could get. I'm an IAM advance rider, and the group I ride with are all 60+ with all brand new bikes (they seem to have the money) we just don't get younger riders coming through much. It has been this way for a long time, most people aren't interested in advanced riding until after they've had an accident and eventually realised / been persuaded that they aren't Fabio Quartararo and the roads aren't Silverstone on a sunny day. It is unusual to get anyone under 30 joining. 1
Bompalompalomp Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 I pity anybody wanting to ride a decent bike these days and it just seems so complicated. I passed my test in 1990; was just a Part 1 and Part 2. Part 1 being around cones, figure of eight, varying pace, etc and then Part 2 being followed by an examiner and then I could ride anything..... which, looking back is extremely scary and silly that I could go from a Kawasaki AR125 to anything, like a FZR-1000EXUP. Thankfully, I survived on a Honda Superdream 250, then a Suzuki GSX550-EE.Pete I do think the A2/A difference is daft, considering to get the higher tier licence I would be doing the exact same tests but on a slightly bigger bike. In fact, some of my lessons were on a restricted 650, so no difference at all. There was talk of it being a simplified upgrade a few years ago, but I think Brexit killed that off for a while. Why would I go through the stress, waiting for an actual test date at the moment, and monetary hit to upgrade?
Andrew_C Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 I get it makes it all safer, but just feel that we're not getting the younger riders that we could get. I'm an IAM advance rider, and the group I ride with are all 60+ with all brand new bikes (they seem to have the money) we just don't get younger riders coming through much. I don't know that it does. It makes it HARDER to get your full licence, but I remain to be convinced your actually a better rider. IAM might help, I'm part way through, but even then I've got reservations...
nicholab Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 Just to be clear I have CBT, theory and low speed handing. I just need to do the on the road final test.
nicholab Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 Just to be clear I have CBT, theory and low speed handing. I just need to do the on the road final test. Did no one else have this issue of having to wait for a date at a test centre to come up?
foofighterjim Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Did no one else have this issue of having to wait for a date at a test centre to come up? Not in 2005, no. I did have to wait a couple of weeks for the theory test as they had just introduced the hazard perception element of it.
Cat_Jam148 Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Did no one else have this issue of having to wait for a date at a test centre to come up? Only a little - Had to wait about 3 weeks this August to take my Mod 1 & Mod 2 on the same date. Didn't think that was too bad for the Birmingham area. Waited longer to do my theory test
Bompalompalomp Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Did no one else have this issue of having to wait for a date at a test centre to come up? Test centres are chaos at the moment, mostly blamed on COVID catchups. The earliest I could book my car test without trying to catch a last minute cancellation is January. 😥
nicholab Posted October 17, 2022 Author Posted October 17, 2022 How do people get them selves to go round corners fast enough? Struggling going down a country road going round the bends.
Andrew_C Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) It is called "counter steering". Push forward on the handlebar of the side you want to go down. Once you've got the bike moving, you use your balance and pressure to keep the lean on. Accelerate SLIGHTLY as you go deeper into the bend, winding more power on as you want to straighten up. Don't go faster around bends than you can stop safely. Sorry, shabby English there, got to go to a meeting! Right - try again. Don't go so fast around a bend that you can't stop in the distance you can see to be clear. Does that make more sense? The IAM plug a acronym IPSGA. Information - can you see how sharp the bend is? Are there clues? Signs, hedges, lampposts you can see OVER the hedge? Position - Get yourself positioned on the road to give you maximum visibility, AND make yourself maximumly visible. Up towards the white line for a left-hander, practically in the gutter for a right. Speed -based on the I. Appropriate for the bend. Go in slow if in doubt, and accelerate early if it isn't as tight as you thought. Gear - select a gear that allows you maximum control. Select before you start steering, but after braking. (I struggle here, I've got a V twin that pulls well from low revs. Winds my observer up) Acceleration. Smoothly, as your view of the road opens up, and you want to tip the bike back to vertical. Edited October 17, 2022 by Andrew_C 2
houlta Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 Well if its Ireland I'm not surprised he's not getting round bends very fast, last time I was there I spent most of my time trying not to disappear down potholes
Davit2005 Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) How do people get them selves to go round corners fast enough? Struggling going down a country road going round the bends. Get yourself a copy of Roadcraft once you feel comfortable with the highway code and the road signs. There is a specific version of Roadcraft for motorcycles as there are some differences. Should always be able to stop in the distance you see to be clear and if that is a single track country road you should cut that down to been able to stop in half the distance you can see. Also you should not put yourself in potential danger for a better view. Edited October 17, 2022 by Davit2005
TechMonkey Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 This will come with confidence, as you learn the bike and grow your own skills. I remember coming home from work the first time on my bike and going slower than a 5cc moped in a head wind.
Andrew_C Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 and KEEP YOUR HEAD UP - look where you want to go; you should be looking as far up the road as possible. DON'T look at the ditch - or that is where you will go. 3
southhamster Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 Look out for manhole covers, slippy road surfaces, those annoying metal studs by crossings etc. The only time I dropped my old Triumph Bonnie was on a wet ironwork. Luckily no damage to me or bike as it was barely walking pace but a good lesson learned! 2
HarryMonkey Posted October 18, 2022 Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Look out for manhole covers, slippy road surfaces, those annoying metal studs by crossings etc. The only time I dropped my old Triumph Bonnie was on a wet ironwork. Luckily no damage to me or bike as it was barely walking pace but a good lesson learned! And keep off the white lines when it's wet !! Edited October 18, 2022 by HarryMonkey
Andrew_C Posted October 18, 2022 Posted October 18, 2022 AND - "overbanding". The shiny stuff they use to seal cracks in the road. That's slippery too.
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