Considering Upgrade/Replacement

[Primus]

Good grief. If suggesting someone does their research before they spend thousands of pounds on a system warrants an eyeroll in your world, so be it. Personally I'd prefer to do that than solely take the word of someone I don't know on an internet forum.

 

Earlier on in the thread you started with your scaremongering and then continued it there.

 

Oh and just to address a previous point in your scaremongering, there is a certification path for Ubiquiti too and support/warranty is available for a price but frankly it's so much cheaper you can afford several cold spares.

 

Obviously you do your research, that goes without saying. Pointing someone to large vendors like you have I can tell without even needing to call them exactly what they'll say - the same old scare tactics to convince you to spend much more on a "top tier" manufacturer.

[Davit2005]

Earlier on in the thread you started with your scaremongering and then continued it there.

 

Oh and just to address a previous point in your scaremongering, there is a certification path for Ubiquiti too and support/warranty is available for a price but frankly it's so much cheaper you can afford several cold spares.

 

Obviously you do your research, that goes without saying. Pointing someone to large vendors like you have I can tell without even needing to call them exactly what they'll say - the same old scare tactics to convince you to spend much more on a "top tier" manufacturer.

 

What has scare tactics got to do with the fact of some thing needed not been available. Of course if you go buy a car are you going to listen to sales person telling you without doing the research first?

 

Have a look at what the features are available on other manufacturers/model kit and decide if you need them. And not necessarily just one area but the whole package.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Davit2005

[Primus]

What has scare tactics got to do with the fact of some thing needed not been available. Of course if you go but a car are you going to listen to sales person telling you without doing the research first?

 

Have a look at what the features are available on other manufacturers kit and decide if you need them. And not necessarily just one area but the whole package.

 

I've seen this many times with Unifi - the comments on "things" not being available which when you ask further is then met with silence.

 

The industry is massively resistant to a new cheaper player.

[Davit2005]

I've seen this many times with Unifi - the comments on "things" not being available which when you ask further is then met with silence.

 

The industry is massively resistant to a new cheaper player.

 

Why not Investigate yourself. Orgs have different needs it is for the org to decide at the end of the day. I'm not a sales person or in any position to say what will work or not work for any org.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Davit2005

[Primus]

Why not Investigate yourself. Orgs have different needs it is for the org to decide at the end of the day. I'm not a sales person or in any position to say what will work or not work for any org.

 

It goes without saying and he clearly is investigating himself.

[Norphy]

I've seen this many times with Unifi - the comments on "things" not being available which when you ask further is then met with silence.

 

The industry is massively resistant to a new cheaper player.

 

Well, for a start, can a Unifi AP be set to tunnel all of the traffic on a SSID back to its controller, rather than breaking out on its edge switch? My research suggests not but I accept I might be wrong. You might not find that kind of functionality useful but others do.

[Primus]

Well, for a start, can a Unifi AP be set to tunnel all of the traffic on a SSID back to its controller, rather than breaking out on its edge switch? My research suggests not but I accept I might be wrong. You might not find that kind of functionality useful but others do.

 

That's a more useful comment than the generic "things".

 

No it cannot but few would need that which is why it's not offered - tunneling all the traffic back to a controller is quite an old fashioned way of doing it and for most setups is less efficient.

[Norphy]

That's a more useful comment than the generic "things".

 

No it cannot but few would need that which is why it's not offered - tunnelling all the traffic back to a controller is quite an old fashioned way of doing it and for most setups is less efficient.

 

It may be less efficient, but in my experience it's easier to manage, easier to keep secure and, frankly, more reliable. It does add a point of failure which isn't ideal but there are ways around that. It also allows some interesting features, such as Remote Access Points, which can be used to transmit your SSIDs to remote locations and tunnel back to your on-site controller, connecting your remote users to your corporate LAN as they would be in the office, completely negating the need for a VPN client on a device. Useful for home workers and branch offices.

 

To paraphrase what I said at the beginning of the thread, there isn't a right or wrong answer here. My organisation wants the features that a controller based wireless network gets us, so that's why we went with one. Other orgs don't and that's fine. There may be other reasons to choose a different vendor such as Mist, Meraki or Aerohive over Ubiquiti as well; Mist's AI technology is extremely impressive and would be something that's useful to have. Meraki's UI is excellent. Aerohive... OK, I'm struggling with that one, the Aerohive network I used to manage sucked donkey balls and I was happy to get rid of it. On the other hand, Ubquiti may well do exactly what the person needs and that's fine as well

[Davit2005]

It may be less efficient, but in my experience it's easier to manage, easier to keep secure and, frankly, more reliable. It does add a point of failure which isn't ideal but there are ways around that. It also allows some interesting features, such as Remote Access Points, which can be used to transmit your SSIDs to remote locations and tunnel back to your on-site controller, connecting your remote users to your corporate LAN as they would be in the office, completely negating the need for a VPN client on a device. Useful for home workers and branch offices.

 

To paraphrase what I said at the beginning of the thread, there isn't a right or wrong answer here. My organisation wants the features that a controller based wireless network gets us, so that's why we went with one. Other orgs don't and that's fine. There may be other reasons to choose a different vendor such as Mist, Meraki or Aerohive over Ubiquiti as well; Mist's AI technology is extremely impressive and would be something that's useful to have. Meraki's UI is excellent. Aerohive... OK, I'm struggling with that one, the Aerohive network I used to manage sucked donkey balls and I was happy to get rid of it. On the other hand, Ubquiti may well do exactly what the person needs and that's fine as well

 

There are ways with some to mitigate like having HA in place i.e. Internet connections, controllers etc.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Davit2005

[Primus]

It may be less efficient, but in my experience it's easier to manage, easier to keep secure and, frankly, more reliable. It does add a point of failure which isn't ideal but there are ways around that. It also allows some interesting features, such as Remote Access Points, which can be used to transmit your SSIDs to remote locations and tunnel back to your on-site controller, connecting your remote users to your corporate LAN as they would be in the office, completely negating the need for a VPN client on a device. Useful for home workers and branch offices.

 

To paraphrase what I said at the beginning of the thread, there isn't a right or wrong answer here. My organisation wants the features that a controller based wireless network gets us, so that's why we went with one. Other orgs don't and that's fine. There may be other reasons to choose a different vendor such as Mist, Meraki or Aerohive over Ubiquiti as well; Mist's AI technology is extremely impressive and would be something that's useful to have. Meraki's UI is excellent. Aerohive... OK, I'm struggling with that one, the Aerohive network I used to manage sucked donkey balls and I was happy to get rid of it. On the other hand, Ubquiti may well do exactly what the person needs and that's fine as well

 

No and I get that but I am thoroughly sick of the sheer number of people who will say Unifi is missing important features or "things" without then giving any details. It's become a major problem in the market with not only sales people doing it but our colleagues in schools putting people off a perfectly good product with ambiguous FUD.

[OllieC]

Goes without saying this is just me starting the process - to put anyone's mind at rest, of course I'm investigating and sourcing multiple solutions and pricing options before even allocating this to a budget!

[Norphy]

No and I get that but I am thoroughly sick of the sheer number of people who will say Unifi is missing important features or "things" without then giving any details. It's become a major problem in the market with not only sales people doing it but our colleagues in schools putting people off a perfectly good product with ambiguous FUD.

 

Fair enough, but bear in mind that goes both ways. You can't assume that Unifi (or any other product) is going to perfect for everyone.

 

I don't want you to think that I'm against Ubquiti. We have some of their wireless bridges in our organisation and they work well.

[Primus]

Fair enough, but bear in mind that goes both ways. You can't assume that Unifi (or any other product) is going to perfect for everyone.

 

I don't want you to think that I'm against Ubquiti. We have some of their wireless bridges in our organisation and they work well.

 

I’m not. He posted having looked at he liked it. I reaffirmed my like of it.