Arthur Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Introducing Project Scarlett. Unmatched power and speed ushers in a new level of game play performance and the future of gaming. With four generations of content that looks and feels unlike anything before. Launching with Halo Infinite Holiday 2020. Microsoft’s next-generation Xbox: 8K graphics, SSD storage, and ray-tracing for 2020 This new Project Scarlett console will support 8K gaming, framerates of up to 120fps in games, ray-tracing, and variable refresh rate support. Microsoft is also using an SSD on Project Scarlett. “We’ve created a new generation of SSDs. We’re using the SSD as virtual RAM,” says an Xbox spokesperson in an unveiling video. This should boost performance by 40x over the current generation according to Microsoft, and that will mean games load a lot faster. Sony is also promising that the PS5 will support up to 8K graphics, 3D audio, SSD storage, and backwards compatibility with existing PlayStation 4 titles. The PS5 will also use an eight-core CPU based on AMD’s third-gen Ryzen line, and ship with a GPU that supports ray-tracing graphics. Sony is also teasing 4K graphics at a 120Hz refresh rate support. Halo Infinite is also launching alongside Microsoft’s new Project Scarlett Xbox console, setting the stage for the next generation of Microsoft’s console gaming. Microsoft isn’t showing exactly what Project Scarlett looks like, and the unveiling feels very similar to what the company did with Project Scorpio. That console eventually became the Xbox One X, and we’ll now likely see a lot more about Project Scarlett at next year’s E3.
Rob_D Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 That "SSD as virtual RAM" comment is odd. Does that mean they're worried they haven't got enough system ram? Or are they saving money by just using the SSD for caching? The second seems likely, as most people would be expecting a 1tb drive (at least as an option) and going "full SSD" at that capacity is going to bulk up the price quite a bit.
bald_pig Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 The whole point is zero loading time, so I'd expect full SSD, it's not that big a cost these days. The virtual ram thing, I wonder if they are somehow mapping SSD storage as RAM, to eliminate having to wait while loading stuff in and out of memory
JJonas Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 I want to know how much this is going to cost? Also can I use my existing external storage as this is not SSD?
sted Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 I want to know how much this is going to cost? Also can I use my existing external storage as this is not SSD? my guess is you can use a hdd as basically cold storage you can save stuff there but you can only play it from the internal drive
Arthur Posted June 10, 2019 Author Posted June 10, 2019 I want to know how much this is going to cost? Not sure, but I reckon it's going to be expensive. £499 perhaps? Microsoft are meant to be releasing a much cheaper next-gen console too, but it will probably be limited to streaming games. Last year, through press events and a series of leaks, we learned Microsoft had begun designing a suite of next-generation hardware under the codename "Scarlett". The company planned to release at least two pieces of hardware, a higher-end traditional system codenamed "Anaconda", and a lower-cost, streaming-focused device codenamed "Lockhart". www.polygon.com/e3/2019/6/9/18657985/microsoft-xbox-e3-2019-console-details-project-scarlett I'd expect full SSD, it's not that big a cost these days. Exactly. These days you can get ~1TB SSDs for under £80. SSD prices are going to continue dropping in price this year too.
atcoates Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 The whole point is zero loading time, so I'd expect full SSD, it's not that big a cost these days. The virtual ram thing, I wonder if they are somehow mapping SSD storage as RAM, to eliminate having to wait while loading stuff in and out of memory Microsoft is also using an SSD on Project Scarlett. “We’ve created a new generation of SSDs. We’re using the SSD as virtual RAM,” says an Xbox spokesperson in an unveiling video. This should boost performance by 40x over the current generation according to Microsoft, and that will mean games load a lot faster. https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/9/18656608/microsoft-new-xbox-hardware-specs-price-release-date-e3-2019
Rob_D Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Still doesn't really explain why (when gddr6 is going to be faster) they're using some of the SSD for vram? Unless as bald_pig says, it's a faster file swap because both regions are on the same silicone. It still makes me think there's going to be some sort of optane/tiered-storage-spaces caching going on in there. Especially when in the video one of the guys says "The combination of the SSD and Solid State Drive..."
bald_pig Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Microsoft is also using an SSD on Project Scarlett. “We’ve created a new generation of SSDs. We’re using the SSD as virtual RAM,” says an Xbox spokesperson in an unveiling video. This should boost performance by 40x over the current generation according to Microsoft, and that will mean games load a lot faster. https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/9/18656608/microsoft-new-xbox-hardware-specs-price-release-date-e3-2019 Well, yes. We're discussing Project Scarlett's use of SSD as virtual RAM in a thread about Project Scarlett. I don't quite get the point you're trying to make here.
atcoates Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Well, yes. We're discussing Project Scarlett's use of SSD as virtual RAM in a thread about Project Scarlett. I don't quite get the point you're trying to make here. I read the comment "I wonder if they are somehow mapping SSD storage as RAM" and just posted a confirmation with a link with a bit more info for people.
localzuk Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Not sure, but I reckon it's going to be expensive. £499 perhaps? Remember, the PS3 base model was £425 in the UK at launch (RRP). So, £499 is expensive, but taking into account inflation since then, not *that* expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if it was over £500 to be honest, with those capabilities...
CHiLL Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Phil Spencer also specifically stated that they listened to the fans and that this new console is designed for gamers. I think they understand that the multimedia thought process behind the Xbox One didn't work. Let's hope they actually act on this.
localzuk Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Phil Spencer also specifically stated that they listened to the fans and that this new console is designed for gamers. I think they understand that the multimedia thought process behind the Xbox One didn't work. Let's hope they actually act on this. See, the multimedia stuff is mostly why I bought an Xbox to be honest... But, that said, with the availability of multimedia platforms now at MUCH cheaper prices, this new device needs to make gaming the primary focus, and multimedia stuff a nice to have add-on. 1
matt40k Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 I'm guessing the new ssd will be using the new PCIe gen 4 AMD have just announced, so if traditional SSD are 500Mbps and the newer NVMe are like 3500Mbps using PCIe3 - I guess we'll getting close to (slow) DDR4 speeds. Basically smashing the disc IO problem. (Really wish they wouldn't bother with 8K, utterly pointless)
CHiLL Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Found this [ATTACH=CONFIG]53756[/ATTACH] I believe that the Dev kits are often over-powered to compensate for running and debugging the games at the same time.
matt40k Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Yer, normally add more RAM, but CPU wise, gen3 didn't exist, they do now (ish), so we should see better performance (but less cores? and less ram?)
Rob_D Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 True, and I can see the HDD being dropped from the retail version (unless they are going for hybrid storage).
matt40k Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 I think the bluray drive will be most interesting decision they make. Lets be honest, even if you buy the disc, you need to download a ton of updates, so its really a question of how they are going to deal with trade-in. I know they are doubling down on subscriptions, but if they can't get game makers to get on board....
mavhc Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Don't forget £1000 for a 120Hz 8k TV. Seems like they'd put a disc in it, because if you have enough bandwidth to not need a disc, you'd just use a streaming service anyway
matt40k Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Don't forget £1000 for a 120Hz 8k TV. I think you missed a "0" - unless you're assuming (or hoping ) the price will drop before the time the console hits.
dmj Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 We’re using the SSD as virtual RAM,” says an Xbox spokesperson in an unveiling video. Isn't that just describing a paging system that has been in windows for the last 30 years?
Bumhug360 Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Especially when in the video one of the guys says "The combination of the SSD and Solid State Drive..." Combination of SOC and Solid State Drive is what he says 1
Rob_D Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 Combination of SOC and Solid State Drive is what he says That makes way more sense. Thanks.
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