ITV axes Jeremy Kyle

[Garacesh]

I admit I used to be one of the people that watched it, but I'm not going to try and defend the show.

 

Overall it did help some people, especially with DNA testing, counselling, and drug rehabilitation.

But overall I think it probably did significantly more harm than good, and with all the new information cropping up about how things were behind the scenes, it's probably for the best.

[FishCustard]

Overall it did help some people, especially with DNA testing, counselling, and drug rehabilitation.

But overall I think it probably did significantly more harm than good...

Yeah, exactly - on balance it's a net negative.

[Andrew_C]

Thing i don't understand

Jeremy Kyle: 1 Suicide, axe's show

Tory austerity: Thousands of suicides - get re-elected.

[jthompson]

Never watched the show, only seen snippets in passing, but it did seem to me that Jeremy Kyle is to counselling what Gwyneth Paltrow is to healthcare (i.e. a public menace).

[Lonix]

Tory austerity: Thousands of suicides - get re-elected.

 

Weird that isn't it.

 

A TV show exposes truth about some one that voluntarily went on it for a lie detector test knowing full well he cheated and it's not his fault he committed suicide. And now his former partner has made some astonishing claims that he made her life hell (which would actually follow the pattern of cheating partners that become obsessive, insecure and controlling because of their own actions).

 

Meanwhile as you said, Tory austerity makes endless cut backs to public services destroying thousands of lives and people are still more fussed about bashing Jeremy Corbyn because he wants to tax the rich.. or a TV show that apparently forces people on it.

 

We also have shows like Love Island that actually encourage bullying, cheating and having sex on TV. Shall we also do a list where 'known names' openly treat other individuals like absolute dirt for ratings?

I'm a fan of Gordon Ramsey shows - shall we ban his shows? He doesn't just shout at them.. he openly swears and insults them.

Or do we only ban shows that are day time TV only? In that case maybe Jeremy Kyle should be an evening one.

 

Other half watches all these reality shows and I can't understand how they've managed to last while Kyle is shutdown and by non PC ITV. I'd expect this from the BBC.

 

And no.. I can't stand most of these shows but it does show a sheer amount of hypocrisy. Maybe I'll just call the 21st Century the years of hypocrisy.

[Arthur]

Jeremy Kyle: more TV show guests killed themselves, it emerges

 

A woman who was a guest on a chat show hosted by Jeremy Kyle in 2005 took her life six days after her appearance, it has emerged.

 

Erica Pawson, 36, killed herself after her husband followed Kyle’s advice and ended their 18-year marriage.

 

[...]

 

It emerged on Sunday that another man, the former boxer Paul McCarthy, had killed himself three months after appearing on Kyle’s ITV show in 2014.

 

[...]

 

Paul Pawson criticised producers for not taking the same actions after Erica Pawson’s death in October 2005. “Why didn’t they suspend the programme when my wife died? We never got counselling. We didn’t get anything,” he said. “My daughter has had to see a specialist counsellor because of what happened.”

 

According to Pawson, neither he nor his wife were subject to mental health checks before they went on the show, despite the fact that Erica Pawson had suffered from depression and had previously taken overdoses.

 

They were also not asked if they were taking medication, said Pawson, who added that his wife had been taking strong painkillers for osteoporosis at the time. He said neither of them were psychologically screened.

 

Paul Pawson claimed that during the show, the audience had yelled approval as Kyle urged him to leave his wife. “He told me to leave Erica so I shook his hand and promised to leave the family home, which I did,” he said. “At the end of the day, he ruined my wife’s life. She killed herself.”

 

Though Pawson admitted having previously had affairs, he had gone on the show in an effort to prove he had since been faithful. He failed a lie-detector test and was accused of being a bad husband by Kyle.

 

After filming on 7 October 2005, he moved out of the family’s home. Erica Pawson was later found dead from an overdose of prescription painkillers.

 

The couple had previously appeared on an episode of the BBC daytime chat show Kilroy called Affairs in the Family.

[mikeprice]

The show and Kyle himself have always said that there is help and support for people who have been on the show

 

however there seem to be quite a few people appearing that are saying that they didn't get any help, support or advise after being on the show - I do wonder if these people are just saying this to get attention, or are the few who dropped through the cracks - or they were offered support but just said no without realising what they were saying no to

 

or - probably more likely (??) - there was no suitable support there when they might have needed it

 

there was a psychologist from a TV company who was saying that they didn't really know when people would need support and this was only just getting to be clear. She said that before, during and (often) immediately after the 'show' people were fine and excited. However, after that period is finished then they can look back and may regret thing or the show may have brought things up that cause problems. Maybe some people are offered support etc just after the show but they are OK at that point - but after that rejection of help the show just drops it

 

All of which doesn't explain some of the cases on the TV - including people who have been on the show but haven't had problems - but say they had no offer of support. In any case it does sound like the claims from the show and Kyle about the support available - which I have certainly heard Kyle talk about several times over the years - is at best badly directed and far too sparse - and at worse is just a sham and little or no effort has been made to check that the support is good enough.

[jthompson]

I TV programme I'd be interested to watch is one that documents exactly how shows convince members of the public to appear on them. For something like The Apprentice, I know that there's a prize on offer and a certain amount of arrogance is involved, but I'd love to see exactly how the producers get people to say and do some of the things they say and do. How is an appearance on Jeremy Kyle pitched to potential guests? I just think it would be interesting.

[LeMarchand]

I TV programme I'd be interested to watch is one that documents exactly how shows convince members of the public to appear on them. For something like The Apprentice, I know that there's a prize on offer and a certain amount of arrogance is involved, but I'd love to see exactly how the producers get people to say and do some of the things they say and do. How is an appearance on Jeremy Kyle pitched to potential guests? I just think it would be interesting.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190415083625/https://www.itv.com/jeremykyle/be-a-guest

[mikeprice]

I assume that people think going on the show will help

 

Also - there is a lot of mention of 'lie detector' tests - no mention that they are not reliable

 

As far as DNA test go - I have heard of people who say they went on the show to get a DNA test cheaply - looks like they normally cost £100 or £300 for court approved (no idea of the reason or the difference!)

 

Also bear in mind that there are a lot of people who have been on it several times - so they must thing that it did 'help' in some way

[6Foot2]

...Also bear in mind that there are a lot of people who have been on it several times - so they must thing that it did 'help' in some way

Or they could, for whatever reason, simply want to be on TV.

[Garacesh]

I TV programme I'd be interested to watch is one that documents exactly how shows convince members of the public to appear on them. For something like The Apprentice, I know that there's a prize on offer and a certain amount of arrogance is involved, but I'd love to see exactly how the producers get people to say and do some of the things they say and do. How is an appearance on Jeremy Kyle pitched to potential guests? I just think it would be interesting.

 

I don't really think it's too difficult to figure out.

There are better options for all of the issues they list, but the difference is that Jeremy Kyle actively advertises advertised itself as one whereas the alternatives (rehab, counsellors, dna tests etc) don't usually.

 

• DNA - Obviously this one is the prospect of concrete answers. Is my kid mine probably being the biggest, but I imagine it also ties in with finding out if a partner has been unfaithful.
  
• Lie detector - If you believe in the accuracy of polygraph tests, this probably goes with the idea of validation or closure.
  
• Stolen - Well I mean, that's fairly easy. Either your stuff gets returned, or (if you're being a bit naughty), you get free stuff.
  
• Access - This one's really a matter for the courts, but it's not easy to afford a lawyer, so you've got a financial incentive here.
  
• Feuding families - To be fair this one I don't get, I think should really be kept behind closed doors, but maybe it's the prospect of mediation, or maybe counselling?
  
• Break-ups - See above
  
• Relationships - See above x2, though to be fair there's also people trying to save a relationship.
  
• Bad parents - See above x3
  
• Addictions - An obvious one really: the prospect of help and/or rehab. If you're really trying to kick the habit, I imagine any prospect of assistance looks worth it.
  
• Reunions - It's not really easy to find a lost family member, better to bring in people that have experience with it if you can.
  

[jthompson]

How are the lie detector tests done on the show? Are they live on stage or are they done behind closed doors with a 'reveal' of the results on stage?

[6Foot2]

How are the lie detector tests done on the show? Are they live on stage or are they done behind closed doors with a 'reveal' of the results on stage?

I would have though an on stage test would not be valid due to distraction and stresses giving a, possible, 'skewed' result.

[Garacesh]

How are the lie detector tests done on the show? Are they live on stage or are they done behind closed doors with a 'reveal' of the results on stage?

 

The latter.

Which if you accept that the polygraph is 'scientific', makes sense, because you want to control an exterior variables.

But it isn't scientific, and it's probably just done to create drama and suspense.

[mikeprice]

Apparently the lie detector tests were done beforehand - not just before the show - and by a well know company in that field. I read something that said the whole process takes 8 hours

 

However, I have checked and the ones the USA police use takes nowhere near that long so I can't be sure of the details

 

Obviously the actual result is only know to anyone on the show when they are actually on the stage.