Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Hi there, I am trying to find a good POE AP that comes with a POE injector or you can buy the injector separately. The AP needs to be able to take at least 20 users at a time if not more which is a big ask. The AP will only be used for internet use only and for dishing out DHCP requests or can be a relay from the model router. Any suggestions?
Rob_D Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 What about the Unifi AC Pro? Officially, it supports up to 254 clients across both bands. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/max-number-of-clients-per-AP/td-p/933178 Used them in my last school and they were fine with 18 ipads a laptop and probably a couple of teacher phones in one room.
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 How about: https://www.ebuyer.com/661820-d-link-dap-2660-wireless-ac1200-simultaneous-dual-band-poe-access-point-dap-2660 https://www.ebuyer.com/426054-d-link-dpe-101gi-poe-gigabit-injector-dpe-101gi - - - Updated - - - What about the Unifi AC Pro? Officially, it supports up to 254 clients across both bands. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/max-number-of-clients-per-AP/td-p/933178 Used them in my last school and they were fine with 18 ipads a laptop and probably a couple of teacher phones in one room. It cant be a managed solution. It has to be stand alone.
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Unifi would do great. https://www.ubnt.com/
DalekSec Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 +1 For Unifi, love them so much i use them at home as well now!
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 Can I use a Unifi AP just as a stand alone unit with out needing the managed software? Last time I used it I thought I needed the managed software.
atechguy Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 you need the software to setup the AP, Doesn't need to be running all the time.
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 Cant do that then. I just need a stand alone AP that can be setup by using its own onboard software. I think I will get the d-links.
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Cant do that then. I just need a stand alone AP that can be setup by using its own onboard software. I think I will get the d-links. No u do the initial setup with the software/web interface then its configured and good to go until you need to change the settings again. Like any other AP/router. I wont use DLinks again. I'd be happier with a little cisco or a TP link with the routing turned off. Edited November 24, 2017 by mikkydoos
Rob_D Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Just out of curiosity: From a management point of view, what's the difference between using your computer/laptop to browse to the AP's web interface and using the unifi software installed on your computer? Are you planning to manage them from a tablet or chromebook or something? 1
synaesthesia Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Don't buy a Dlink over a unifi just because of hte initial setup, that's just utterly daft. Dlink haven't made anything good since.... ever. 1
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 @Dan_ATR BTW, 20 users on a single AP isn't a big ask at all. As long as you've got a decent speed network plugged into it that is. Get a Unify. You wont be sorry. They can be used standalone just like any other managed or unmanaged AP out there. And any old POE converter will do. Or look at a Ruckus one if your budget can stretch. They are the mutts nuts.
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 Just out of curiosity: From a management point of view, what's the difference between using your computer/laptop to browse to the AP's web interface and using the unifi software installed on your computer? Are you planning to manage them from a tablet or chromebook or something? The diffrence between a standalone managed AP like you have at home and managed solution APs such as Aruba, Meraki, Meru, Ruckuss, Unifi etc... are quite diffrent my friend as with the managed solutions you need software or hardware management which I cant have. I need just the web user interface on the device and that will do, just like your home router at home. With the setup I will be using my own personal laptop and use the management setup via the IP address in the web browser as normal. After this, my laptop will never venture into the building again as it will be 300+ miles away along with myself. If you are saying the Unifis can be used as standalone products then I will use this then. The IP needs to take around 25 users at once without managed software running either from a PC or from a unit. This is not for a business but for a hall that gets used 4 times a week for lectures and training sessions.
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 @Dan_ATR BTW, 20 users on a single AP isn't a big ask at all. As long as you've got a decent speed network plugged into it that is. Get a Unify. You wont be sorry. They can be used standalone just like any other managed or unmanaged AP out there. And any old POE converter will do. Or look at a Ruckus one if your budget can stretch. They are the mutts nuts. I used Unifi before at my work place, when I left they all got binned and Aruba went in as its a propper managed solution for a business as Unifis are not as they could not take the load or do what we needed them to do. My current work use Ruckus.
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 I used Unifi before at my work place, when I left they all got binned and Aruba went in as its a propper managed solution for a business as Unifis are not Yes they are. The Pro ones at least. Half the people on this forum will be using them because they are good. Get a Ruckus or Aruba instead then. Only thing is you'll pay north of £250 for one. They don't have to be managed.
jthompson Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Cisco do some cheaper small business APs that don't need any licensing or controller. Before getting into buying UniFi stuff here, we bought a couple of Cisco WAP321s as stand-ins for some older APs. They're PoE, but they didn't come with an injector (pretty much any injector would probably do).
synaesthesia Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 I would go for Unifi over Aruba any day of the week. They absolutely are properly managed, and generally only rubbished by people who are trying to sell Cisco/Meru/Ruckus kit. All have their benefits but don't give them the same profit margin. 1
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) I would go for Unifi over Aruba any day of the week. They absolutely are properly managed, and generally only rubbished by people who are trying to sell Cisco/Meru/Ruckus kit. All have their benefits but don't give them the same profit margin. Unifi may have come leaps and bounds over the last 4 years but they defiantly could not do VLAN management and RADIUS when we had them. The software was cheap and shocking, like who makes an application in Java seriously. Also our APs quite regularly crashed. Anyway, I’m not here to argue to over brand management. Most people on here work in education and not main stream business. Edited November 24, 2017 by Dan_ATR
Norphy Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Most people on here work in education and not main stream business So? What has that got to do with anything? Do you not think that education and industry face similar challenges? When it comes to wireless, I would think that the education market needs a wireless solution which is just as robust as any corporate entity considering that could have hundreds, maybe thousands connecting to their wireless networks at once.
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 So? What has that got to do with anything? Do you not think that education and industry face similar challenges? When it comes to wireless, I would think that the education market needs a wireless solution which is just as robust as any corporate entity considering that could have hundreds, maybe thousands connecting to their wireless networks at once. No, education market needs to go into schools to tell people to allow there technicians to buy the correct equipment and not to make them buy cheap junk.... I currently work in a school and I have thrown loads of items away which are just utter junk.... Its all fine when they want to buy a new toy for themselves but when it comes to buying things for the school, nope, dont want to know...
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Most people on here work in education and not main stream business. Why are you asking us on here then? My 'educational establishment' has a bigger turnover, client base and IT budget than many small/medium businesses... and we choose morally, professionally and with experience, to equip our infrastructures wisely with top end, reliable, pro grade hardware with long shelf life, scaleability and reliablility in mind. Otherwise we'd all be buying DLink eh @synaesthesia
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 Why are you asking us on here then? My 'educational establishment' has a bigger turnover, client base and IT budget than many small/medium businesses... and we choose morally, professionally and with experience, to equip our infrastructures wisely with top end, reliable, pro grade hardware with long shelf life, scaleability and reliablility in mind. Otherwise we'd all be buying DLink eh @synaesthesia Good, im happy for you. Here we have Ruckus. The unit that I am going to replace is a Cisco unit which is not apart of my work. Why we are argumenting over access points I really dont know. What should be happening is everyone giving links to products that would do the job... not bombarding a product on some one with out any form of write up.
Steve21 Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Why we are argumenting over access points I really dont know. I'd guess because you asked a question, then ignore everything that's been said and go with what you wanted in the first place As others said DLinks are generally terrible, and others "not only unifi" can be setup once and then run standalone even when "cloud" based. No different to doing it on a standard laptop once as you mentioned. Steve 1
Dan_ATR Posted November 24, 2017 Author Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) I'd guess because you asked a question, then ignore everything that's been said and go with what you wanted in the first place As others said DLinks are generally terrible, and others "not only unifi" can be setup once and then run standalone even when "cloud" based. No different to doing it on a standard laptop once as you mentioned. Steve Hi Steve, I havent ignored the fact that those APs are rubish. I was trying to tell "some one on here" that I didnt want a managed system. I didnt know unifis could run as a non managed APs and be configured in that way, as when I used them years ago I dont remember them being able to be run this way. Edited November 24, 2017 by Dan_ATR
mikkydoos Posted November 24, 2017 Posted November 24, 2017 Good, im happy for you. Here we have Ruckus. The unit that I am going to replace is a Cisco unit which is not apart of my work. Why we are argumenting over access points I really dont know. What should be happening is everyone giving links to products that would do the job... not bombarding a product on some one with out any form of write up. I installed Ruckus also. Like I said... people on here will do their best to offer you professional advice. Anyway... +1 for Ubiquity for me or Ruckus. Over and out.
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