Joanne Posted May 24, 2016 Author Posted May 24, 2016 Solution: Disable the animation. Enable verbose messages. Job done. (Added bonus: If your login process is hanging somewhere, you get a good idea where to look.) I hate the verbose message!! Well does my head in.
Garacesh Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 I hate the verbose message!! Well does my head in. What's to hate? It tells you what the computer is doing. Users don't need to understand what's going on, just that "It's doing stuff.", so the message changing shows them that "stuff" is being done. This is opposed to "We're setting things up for you." no matter what it's doing (Occasionally changing to "This is taking longer than usual.") means the user is far more likely to be impatient and suspect the machine has hanged using the default sign on animation. And it's not that much better disabling it, without verbose messages it sits there on "Preparing Windows" for $Time (which again, the impatient user may assume the machine has hanged)
2ilent8cho Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 I hate the verbose message!! Well does my head in. When we had Windows 7 Clients i had this turned on everywhere (on our XP ones too). I hated the endless 'Please wait' with a spinning circle, not actually saying what its doing. Not got round to doing anything with Windows 10 yet, but some of these boot and login times are horrific. We are mainly Mac and our IT Suites are 11 seconds boot, 12 second from login screen to desktop loaded. When we get round to Windows 10 at some of our other sites they are the kind of times we will be aiming for. Anything more than 30 seconds from a cold boot is painful.
thimon Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Installed a new SSD into a 4 year old i3 Lenovo laptop. Uninstalled the Windows Apps using Powershell, now takes 12 seconds for a new user to sign in. Win! I'm keeping the Sign in Animation as I agree it's nice for the users to know something is going on.
kennysarmy Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Installed a new SSD into a 4 year old i3 Lenovo laptop. Uninstalled the Windows Apps using Powershell, now takes 12 seconds for a new user to sign in. Win! I'm keeping the Sign in Animation as I agree it's nice for the users to know something is going on. And this laptop is on the domain, with PC policies being applied, a standard pupil user with lockdown polices, desktop redirection and anti-virus installed etc?
kennysarmy Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Yarp We're just testing our logon times now, both on a virtual PC (Oracle VirtualBox - host is a very decent spec.i7/SSD/16Gb RAM) & on a physical PC Intel i3 Dual Core 540/SSD/6Gb RAM (4 1/2 years old) I'll report back tomorrow. 1
Joanne Posted May 24, 2016 Author Posted May 24, 2016 Isn't it interesting the difference group policies make and all of our different setups and configurations? Actually genuinely think it's interesting... that sad? 2
Steve21 Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Installed a new SSD into a 4 year old i3 Lenovo laptop. Uninstalled the Windows Apps using Powershell, now takes 12 seconds for a new user to sign in. Win! I'm keeping the Sign in Animation as I agree it's nice for the users to know something is going on. 12 seconds for a brand new one? Or once they've already logged in :0 that's pretty sweet! Steve
thimon Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 12 seconds for a brand new one? Or once they've already logged in :0 that's pretty sweet! Steve Brand new login. I think a lot of the waiting is getting the Windows Apps ready, with the Apps removed there's pretty much next to nothing to set up.
thimon Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Isn't it interesting the difference group policies make and all of our different setups and configurations? Actually genuinely think it's interesting... that sad? No I find it interesting too! I've now got a custom start menu layout in place, changed the big search section in the taskbar to just a magnifying glass and have replaced the sad cyclops icon for the user to our school logo. I also finally found out what was removing file explorer from the taskbar and start menu so that's now back. Gotta love group policy!
kennysarmy Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 So here are ours: Physical PC freshly joined to domain - imaging menu done ( our imaging menu is just our set of standard operations to run on a freshly imaged PC such as deploy Sophos, activate office and a few custom registry tweaks) with all computer policies disabled Users in OU with user policies disabled 1st logon 6777 = 24 seconds. 2nd logon 6777 = 3 seconds. Reboot 1st logon 5544 = 25 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 3 seconds. Enable all relevant computer policies Reboot 2nd logon 6777 = 7 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 4 seconds. 2nd logon 6777 = 3 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 3 seconds. Delete User Profiles 1st logon 6777 = 10 seconds. 2nd logon 6777 = 4 seconds. 1st logon 5544 = 10 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 3 seconds. Delete User Profiles 1st logon 5544 = 9 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 3 seconds. Enable User GPO's Reboot 2nd logon 5544 = 13 seconds. 2nd logon 5544 = 4 seconds. 1st logon 6777 = 16 seconds. 2nd logon 6777 = 3 seconds. By far the worst logon times are for a first logon immediately after a reboot....though all figures are much better than Windows 7! 1
Steve21 Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 Whats the timings like with GPOs enabled "and" fresh profile? Certainly seems better than 7 just seems too fast lol Steve
itwasntme Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 @kennysarmy This is using SSD? LTSB or Edu? Local profile/roaming profile/mandatory profile please?
kennysarmy Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 @kennysarmy This is using SSD? LTSB or Edu? Local profile/roaming profile/mandatory profile please? Yes the physical test PC had an SSD, but the PC itself is an older one of ours. 6Gb RAM with an i3 processor. Out of our 794 PC's in use 488 have SSD's and as we replace the older ones I spec. with SSD now. I am getting the apprentice to run the logon tests again with a non SSD machine. The test build is on LTSB with no roaming or mandatory profiles, everything is locked down with group policies. I was very (pleasantly) surprised with the logon times. However, do note we have not yet put any Windows 10 PC's in the "wild" - and I've probably no plans to for at least another 6 months. My next stage of testing is to get some groups of year 10 students to come in to my office and see if they can "hack" anything! (Whilst I remotely monitor what they are doing of course!) 1
kennysarmy Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Whats the timings like with GPOs enabled "and" fresh profile? Certainly seems better than 7 just seems too fast lol Steve That would be the penultimate line of my testing - 16 seconds...but as you can see immediately following a reboot it took user 5544 13 seconds for a "second" logon! Thus WHEN you logon seems to have just as much of effect on the logon time as whether it's a first or second logon! From our tests if you have the PC booted up and someone has already logged on and off before you it's much quicker to log on.
itwasntme Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Yes the physical test PC had an SSD, but the PC itself is an older one of ours. 6Gb RAM with an i3 processor. Out of our 794 PC's in use 488 have SSD's and as we replace the older ones I spec. with SSD now. I am getting the apprentice to run the logon tests again with a non SSD machine. The test build is on LTSB with no roaming or mandatory profiles, everything is locked down with group policies. I was very (pleasantly) surprised with the logon times. However, do note we have not yet put any Windows 10 PC's in the "wild" - and I've probably no plans to for at least another 6 months. My next stage of testing is to get some groups of year 10 students to come in to my office and see if they can "hack" anything! (Whilst I remotely monitor what they are doing of course!) Thanks... reason for asking was we have been trying a ton of different things with edu and ent ltsb and have yet to come up with anything with happy with. We have been trying to avoid scripting any profile removal, relying on the fact our student accounts are domain guests.. yet when they are domain guests, first login is fine, without rebooting, the second login has a broken start menu, reboot, and the user is fine again. Oh and login times of 60-90 secs (no ssd). Having lost a few weeks trying to get this right, for us, it's on hold until the anniversary edition (that promises to fix oh so much) is available... fingers crossed. Edited May 27, 2016 by itwasntme
mullet_man Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Am currently testing and the logins are really erratic. Granted my machines are old and slow. Dell 5520s, 2GB RAM, no SSD, i3 Processor. I've managed to unprovision all the apps during my MDT task sequence, but logins are still taking ages. One test then took 3m 36s. What the hell is going on. We are using local accounts, Windows 7 can take about a minute for a fresh user to login which isn't great but is acceptable. Hoping the new update does speed logins up.
LeMarchand Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Granted my machines are old and slow. Dell 5520s, 2GB RAM, no SSD, i3 Processor. *Dreams of having laptops that "old" here*
alfatec Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Are the Apps reinstalling themselves for new users. Did you follow the instructions to remove the apps from the Wim file not just unprovision them??
mullet_man Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Are the Apps reinstalling themselves for new users. Did you follow the instructions to remove the apps from the Wim file not just unprovision them?? Am using this script https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/mniehaus/2015/11/11/removing-windows-10-in-box-apps-during-a-task-sequence/ Apps are not reinstalling for any new user logins.
alfatec Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 I use this procedure: https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/Removing-Built-in-apps-65dc387b?tduid=$569e0478750b11eef92bc61924d27191$$256380$$2459594$$TnL5HPStwNw-zWYNrEBXJwDBJFGQV46sng$$$ and then this: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/mniehaus/2015/11/23/seeing-extra-apps-turn-them-off/ With the first article I leave the photo and calculator apps on. The second procedure gets rid of the built in ones. Also what size is your default profile and how are you doing your default profile??
mullet_man Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 I use this procedure: https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/Removing-Built-in-apps-65dc387b?tduid=$569e0478750b11eef92bc61924d27191$$256380$$2459594$$TnL5HPStwNw-zWYNrEBXJwDBJFGQV46sng$$$ and then this: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/mniehaus/2015/11/23/seeing-extra-apps-turn-them-off/ With the first article I leave the photo and calculator apps on. The second procedure gets rid of the built in ones. Also what size is your default profile and how are you doing your default profile?? Thanks. Think it's mostly similar I guess. I also use the group policy. do you see errors in the event log still about apps that can't run? I've just downloaded the latest insider preview so going to give that a test to see if it really does help logins.
mullet_man Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Got it from here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windowsinsiderpreviewadvanced V14352
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