Which windows 10?

[kennysarmy]

 

So this is all a bit confusing....moving from XP to Windows 7 seems so long ago!

 

Can anyone advise which ISO to download if I want it to mirror closely how our W7 is setup - ie. WSUS pushes out updates which we allow to PC's imaged using WDS.

 

Ta

[Michael]

If you're a school, Windows 10 Education (the top one). If you're a business, then look at Windows 10 Enterprise.

[DalekSec]

We are using the top one, Windows 10 Education

[Arthur]

The first one (Education).

[timbo343]

We are going with Enterprise LTSB.

[browolf]

We are going with Enterprise LTSB.

 

We're using this one too

[timbo343]

We're using this one too

 

I think it just makes sense. My senior tech wasnt happy after he created all the education images and i said we are going ENT LTSB. The Long Term Service Branch should be ideal as we can delay the branch updates as we dont want them playing havoc with anything.

 

Cant work out how to defer them though.

[markwilfan]

If you use sccm I think you can essentially turn the education build into ltsb using win 10 servicing. Correct me if I'm wrong though. We have moved to a vanilla image with sccm deploying applications post install. No more building images yay

[Michael]

My understanding is that Microsoft will continue publishing updates for a branch for up to a maximum of 12 months. So theoretically, I suspect the next Upgrade (codename Redstone), to be released around the anniversary of build 10240. The same will apply to build 10586 also no doubt - support for 12 months.

 

LTSB's branch is unique in that it's supported for 10 years. Windows 10 Education build 10240 won't be supported for 10 years, but Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB build 10240 will. That's essentially the difference.

 

With a managed solution such as WSUS and SCCM, you can control the flow of Updates and Upgrades, but the LTSB version will receive updates for 10 years, and the Education version won't for example. You'd have to switch to 10586 or Redstone (a new branch) to continue being supported. You could of course continue using build 10240 after 12 months, with WSUS controlling Updates/Upgrades, but you'd receive no more support.

 

I'm hoping that Microsoft will logically overlap branches - so before 10240 is officially retired, Redstone will have been released 1 or 2 months prior. I can't see it being realistic upgrading devices to every single new branch (there's no immediate need to do so), plus I don't want to be forever imaging workstations!

 

For users of Windows 10 Home, they'll be forced onto the new branch automatically. For users of Windows 10 Pro, you can Defer for several months.

[robjduk]

Im going LTSB. I am fed up getting flack every time I upgrade even the slightest thing so doing it one more time and not going to touch the thing for 8 years. Sod em.

[Michael]

Im going LTSB. I am fed up getting flack every time I upgrade even the slightest thing so doing it one more time and not going to touch the thing for 8 years. Sod em.

 

The only issue (sods law) is Microsoft will probably release new features in Redstone and not just bug fixes - Leaving it 8 years is too long in an Educational cycle in my opinion - 1/2 years refresh is more realistic as new developments are inevitable. It also gives you the opportunity to include other big applications/improvements too onto your master image.

 

Who knows (for example), Microsoft may fix Microsoft Edge so you can re-direct Favourites in a network environment. Currently it stores Favourites within AppData, which is just odd, seeing as Internet Explorer has supported Favourites redirection for years.

[robjduk]

LTSB does not come with Edge and am just pushing Chrome out. I don't mean to sound negative but am fed up with fixing IE issues on sites which just work on Chrome. Maybe just been doing this and putting up with ridiculous end users for to long now.

Besides, the higher ups in my place are not very likely to want any new feature anytime soon. They could still be on XP and office 2000 and not care. There is a "long as it works" attitude rather than a "how do we use tech to make it better"....

 

When I pushed 8 out it was "my updates" which broke everything apparently. Nothing to do with the mandatory SIMS update which moved some options around. (yes Windows 8 was blamed for Capita moving one option box in my school).

 

....i'm not an angry person though....

Edited February 14, 2016 by robjduk

[Michael]

It sounds like you have users who resist change - don't get me wrong, I have these people to support too. Normally once I've sat down with them and answered their queries, they're a lot happier. I have similar issues with MS Office, despite the differences between Office 2010, 2013 and 2016 being very minimal. I consider the learning curve small.

 

I suppose my approach is that Windows 10 is the last big OS, with minimal changes coming down the years that most people probably won't notice. Most people don't realise this and just expect there to be a Windows 11 coming in the future.

 

I do wonder though (in a long distant, future Windows 10 Upgrade), whether IE11 will be dropped altogether. I just can't imagine IE11 still being there in 10 years, but logically Edge may have come along heaps and may be more viable. I might be wrong, but IE11 was released at the end of 2013, making it 13 years old in 10 years of course.

 

Other considerations are whether or not Microsoft would update/patch IE11 to include TLS 1.3 for example? It supports TLS 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 - in the short term I suspect they will have little choice, but long term, it will probably give them the excuse to move to Edge for all.

[timbo343]

It sounds like you have users who resist change - don't get me wrong, I have these people to support too. Normally once I've sat down with them and answered their queries, they're a lot happier. I have similar issues with MS Office, despite the differences between Office 2010, 2013 and 2016 being very minimal. I consider the learning curve small.

 

I suppose my approach is that Windows 10 is the last big OS, with minimal changes coming down the years that most people probably won't notice. Most people don't realise this and just expect there to be a Windows 11 coming in the future.

 

I do wonder though (in a long distant, future Windows 10 Upgrade), whether IE11 will be dropped altogether. I just can't imagine IE11 still being there in 10 years, but logically Edge may have come along heaps and may be more viable. I might be wrong, but IE11 was released at the end of 2013, making it 13 years old in 10 years of course.

 

Other considerations are whether or not Microsoft would update/patch IE11 to include TLS 1.3 for example? It supports TLS 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 - in the short term I suspect they will have little choice, but long term, it will probably give them the excuse to move to Edge for all.

 

I think MS know there are issues with edge so they are wanting all users to use it as a replacement for IE. I read somewhere (i forget where is was) that they are concentrating on edge in 2016 ready for 2017. A little too late if you ask me.

[AliG]

The first one (Education).

@Arthur @Michael Would you mind explaining your reasons for choosing this version over the other versions. I was all set for W10 Ent and have started testing but I'm now having second thoughts.

[Arthur]

Would you mind explaining your reasons for choosing this version over the other versions.

Despite there being only a couple of differences between Enterprise and Education, there's always the possibility that Microsoft will release something in the future that requires the Education edition. I guess that's the only real reason for choosing one over the other.

[sparkeh]

Despite there being only a couple of differences between Enterprise and Education, there's always the possibility that Microsoft will release something in the future that requires the Education edition. I guess that's the only real reason for choosing one over the other.

Has something changed? Not long ago it appeared to be clear that we weren't eligible to use Enterprise and eligible for Education only.

[Arthur]

Has something changed?

Microsoft's Product Terms document seems to imply that we can use Enterprise now...

 

www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-10/165836-windows-10-create-gold-image-problems-sysprep.html#post1421708

Edited February 15, 2016 by Arthur

[Michael]

I agree with Arthur - you also have to consider Microsoft have never released an Education version of Windows, so this also is a sign of things to come (in my view).

[sparkeh]

I agree with Arthur - you also have to consider Microsoft have never released an Education version of Windows, so this also is a sign of things to come (in my view).

If I remember correctly, there was talk of the Education version having it's own api hooks for future educational focused features/apps. It would be inconvenient to deploy Enterprise to find that you need to change to Education at a later date.

Makes sense to deploy Education to me.

[Michael]

I think in the short term, it's more so to make it more personalised. Home, Professional, Education, Enterprise - it makes a lot of sense, despite Education and Enterprise being the same specification wise.

 

Enterprise LTSB is for mission critical environments - I'd hardly consider a school mission critical myself.