Chuckster Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 After having a play about with Windows 10 this past week as a standalone I have decided that I am going to try and embrace the Mac OS a little bit more. I dislike how much Windows 10 resembles Windows 8.x and what's funny is that my sister's 6 year old MacBook (Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 250GB HDD) is faster booting up within 30 seconds and 3 seconds to log in than any new Windows machine with SSD! And this is the new Yosemite 10.10 after years of upgrading from Snow Leopard (no clean installation; just upgrading). Just what on earth is up with MS and their stupid OS lately? I've been playing with the Mac for the last 2 days and it's going to take me some time to learn the new keyboard shortcuts, terminal etc. Suffice to say once I have gotten to grips with the Mac I don't think i will go back to MS. Windows 7, for me, has been the finest OS ever.
ellsandell Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 30 seconds to boot up a W10 machine with an SSD doesn't sound right...
nickbro Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Takes 10 seconds for my surface to boot up, running Windows 10. Takes 20 seconds for my rig at home but that's because of the RAID card.
sparkeh Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Interesting, my i5, 4gb ram, SSD PC boots Win 10 in under 10 seconds. I've found 10 to be the fastest Windows version yet. Though yeah, why not get to grips with OS X and Linux while your at it, the more the merrier in my opinion 1
Miscbrah Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Though yeah, why not get to grips with OS X and Linux while your at it, the more the merrier in my opinion Hahaha Linux! Ur a funny guy Mr Sparkeh. Got them JOKES you do. Oh wait, not joking. :'( In all seriousness I'm about to take the first half of my lpic now, and Linux is growing on me. It's got it's own little quirks (such as being a t*t-ache) but has proven stable in non-gui guise. ANYTHING I've put Ubuntu 14.04 on has been royally smegged up somehow though, don't like that one. Enjoy that command line and feeling like a dunce going right back to square 1 where you can't do anything, then realise you can easily do ALL this on Windows in ten seconds, then eventually learn the 'angles' to approach that way of work from. 1
DalekSec Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 My i7 SSD PC boots up so fast I don't know the time. My monitor takes longer to switch on!
CyberNerd Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Interesting, my i5, 4gb ram, SSD PC boots Win 10 in under 10 seconds. I've found 10 to be the fastest Windows version yet. That's nothing to write home about; a sub £200 Chromebook (linux) will boot in just over half the time. With Windows you just get used to things being slower - even when it's the 'best version yet'
Garacesh Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Using Win10 at home on my personal machine (specs in signature), have been for about two months now I think? OS is on an SSD. Boots up in <10 seconds. 30 seconds is way off-time unless you're using the proper 'cold boot' settings.. If you're using fast-boot it shouldn't take half that.
hardtailstar Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Im using W10 on my home PC and it boots up in under 10 seconds and the hardware is at least 5 years old except the SSD.
CyberNerd Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Im using W10 on my home PC and it boots up in under 10 seconds and the hardware is at least 5 years old except the SSD. yeah, like I said - it's normal for other operating systems to boot fast. Only windows users seem to find sub-ten sec boot times a "new" thing
hardtailstar Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 yeah, like I said - it's normal for other operating systems to boot fast. Only windows users seem to find sub-ten sec boot times a "new" thing oh I know that, was just adding my two cents like the others
sparkeh Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 yeah, like I said - it's normal for other operating systems to boot fast. Only windows users seem to find sub-ten sec boot times a "new" thing Mmm but is comparing Windows and ChromeOS really a fair comparison as the feature set is not comparable. I would suggest that Windows has a lot more to do before it presents the login screen. The fact that Windows churns through a lot more stuff to present a login screen in 10 seconds may actually be more impressive than a Chromebook loading in 5 seconds
CyberNerd Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Mmm but is comparing Windows and ChromeOS really a fair comparison as the feature set is not comparable. I would suggest that Windows has a lot more to do before it presents the login screen. The fact that Windows churns through a lot more stuff to present a login screen in 10 seconds may actually be more impressive than a Chromebook loading in 5 seconds linux.
jinnantonnixx Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-Microsoft-been-able-to-solve-the-problem-of-Windows-getting-so-slow-after-about-a-year-of-use "Windows Rot" is supposed to be less of a problem in 10. What Devs Need To Know About Windows 10 App Model These problems don't affect Linux systems. Uninstalling stuff can leave artifacts behind in /etc/, ~/.config and so on, but they just use a bit of disk space and don't slow the system down. For what it's worth, my crummy i3 laptop with SSD disk running Ubuntu 14.04 can get me online in under 10 seconds, and that includes logging on. Edited October 13, 2015 by jinnantonnixx
bossman Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Auuuuuggghhhh! "Linux!" is there nothing it can't do? Doh! Love them or hate them they all have their merits and that's why we are employed, to help others utilise them in a more gamely fashion, To be true I like all of the mainstream OS's its just the cost of the hardware they run on that I find extortionate! Happy trails partners!!
Arthur Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) a sub £200 Chromebook (linux) will boot in just over half the time. ... or for just £253 @Chuckster could get a shiny new Apple keyboard, trackpad and mouse to go with his Mac and simply use the sleep function instead. Edited October 13, 2015 by Arthur 1
mthomas08 Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 30 seconds to boot up a W10 machine with an SSD doesn't sound right... I was thinking this. I upgraded 3-4 year old Lenovo laptop Intel Pentium to W8 and then to W10, its not got an SSD and it boots up to the logon screen within around 20 seconds. It's a lot quicker than a fresh build of W7 which it had before. Problem is though it's not relatively fast and feels a little sluggish when actually using it. Still, something to me is odd that W10 is booting slow.
Chuckster Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 I've been using the MacBook for a few days now and so far so good. One thing I realised is that my workflow on a Windows machine is much better than on a Mac. There are some things I don't like on the Mac but it's something that I am slowly adjusting with and getting accustomed to. I have also come to realise that any free apps/software is crap on the Mac and is nowhere near as extensive in Windows. Any decent apps cost and as a Windows user I don't like paying for anything if I can help it. Anyhoo, there are 3 things that I really like about the Mac: 1. Trackpad - bloody awesome 2. Battery life 3. Fast boot up times, log in times and shutting down times. All this on El Capitan, even if people are slating it. Me, I don't know any better as this is the first Mac OS I have played with since Snow Leopard (10.6).
DalekSec Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Anyhoo, there are 3 things that I really like about the Mac: 1. Trackpad - bloody awesome 2. Battery life 3. Fast boot up times, log in times and shutting down times. Ways of getting around this on windows machines 1. Use a mouse (I cant stand trackpads half the time, even macs ones) 2. Plug it in 3. If you look after your windows machine and have an SSD it should do that anyway. This school year so far we have had 4 broken macs that are unfixable by us (sent off to apple store) and only 1 badly broken windows machine, which we managed to fix.
Arthur Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 as a Windows user I don't like paying for anything if I can help it. That's why so many free Windows apps include adware and toolbars in the installers. As with Android, there are far too many skinflints. I don't mind paying for good Mac apps since they are almost always more polished than the Windows equivalents. Compare Acorn / Affinity Photo to Paint.net / GIMP or Sketch to Inkscape and you'll see what I mean. If you want to save a bit of money create a wish-list on AppShopper. When the apps are discounted they will send you an e-mail. Black Friday is usually a good time to buy apps too.
CyberNerd Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Ways of getting around this on windows machines 1. Use a mouse (I cant stand trackpads half the time, even macs ones) 2. Plug it in 3. If you look after your windows machine and have an SSD it should do that anyway. This school year so far we have had 4 broken macs that are unfixable by us (sent off to apple store) and only 1 badly broken windows machine, which we managed to fix. 4. re-image it every 6-12 months to keep it running smooth
Garacesh Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 4. re-image it every 6-12 months to keep it running smooth Yeah, if you're an end-user installing bloody toolbars and another version of BonziBuddy every 2 weeks. I'm fairly certain power users like us know how to keep a machine clean and running smooth.
Dodgex1 Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 I moved to Mac and Linux at home after ending up working with Linux, prefer them both. I would still stick with Windows in a medium size domain environment for end users because at the end of the day IMO its more fit for purpose for most people. OS arguments always get people up. Windows fans always fall back on saying Macs are locked up software and hardware wise which is true, and for £1200 they could at least switch the " and @ round for the UK market. However when people say Windows hardware is fixable it isn't is it. It's the manufacturers certain devices that are fixable. There are now (and becoming more common) plenty of "Windows" machines that are just as unchangeable as the Mac devices, just with Windows you have a choice of what you put it on which is good for domain environments. Mac fans will decry BSOD's, malware etc but lets be honest there's plenty of malicious attacks available for Macs now. Just preference at the end of the day. I used to hate Macs and I now I use one daily, and my media server runs CentOS. In its current iteration I wouldn't touch Windows at home but I'd be mortified if management declared we were getting 100 Macs in at work.
LeMarchand Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 That's why so many free Windows apps include adware and toolbars in the installers. As with Android, there are far too many skinflints. I remember the good old days when people would publish their apps just because they'd be useful to others and/or the kudos. When people understood how to use a search engine and didn't expect everything to be in one app store. When you could catch the bus into town, see a film and get fish and chips for tea and still have change from...
CyberNerd Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Yeah, if you're an end-user installing bloody toolbars and another version of BonziBuddy every 2 weeks. I'm fairly certain power users like us know how to keep a machine clean and running smooth. Yes, using a virtual machine in linux, that I wipe daily.
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