cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Hi all, Why Can I not find a decent router for home use ? My Technicolor TG582 provided by my ISP, has, for want of a better word... Fried! I've been trying to sort out a new router (not that I can afford to buy a brand new one right now). I'm on an ADSL2+ connection. The way I have it setup now is I have a Thomson Speedtouch 516 (single port) in bridged mode, with a Zyxel something-or-other Wireless router. The Thomson, serves a basic purpose, useless if you need wireless, or any port forwarding etc as it's locked to ISP firmware and have tried to re-flash 2 of these boxes and both times failed with Thomsons own firmware. I'm now on my third, port forwarding is almost none existant - you can only open ports it already has ... IE if you have a web server on port 80, fine it'll work but my CCTV is on port 3380. You cannot add this port to it's list it just fails, and if you try and edit the ports of another service it fails and reboots. Anyway, So the Zyxel, setup in PPTP mode to do the authentication on the Thomson, Any setting you commit - the router reboots. Any setting you commit will not be set/enabled after a reboot so you have to do it twice, then when it reboots the settings will be there. WPA2, if you put a '.' (that's a dot) in your WPA2 key.. nothing will connect... remove the dot and everything is A-OK! Another thing with the ZyXel is, the PPTP (PPPoA) is very basic, Username, Password and PPTP Server Address only configurable - struggled like hell to get a static IP configured on the WAN Interface, once this is configured - every 24 hours or so, according to the logs the PPTP connection gets dropped and doesn't come back up, a reboot brings up the link. Router has been factory reset about a dozen times!!! Because of port forwarding not working on the thomson properly, even though I'm routing through the ZyXel the thomson is only in half bridge mode so ideally I need to forward all ports to the ZyXel... you'd think this is a simple task!! Nope. Will only forward the ports it wants to forward. So no access to alarm or CCTV over the internet, and my VPN wont connect either! It's a shame DD-WRT wont work with ZyXel routers, Even if I ran pfsense I'd have to run it in bridge mode but at least I now my connection wont drop every 24hours and it would be stable - and Wifi I could at least captive portal securely! I wish I could afford something that would run pfsense!! And breath lol... I cannot wait to get FTTH. I can use ANY router I like then! Edited April 23, 2014 by cpjitservices
ICTDirect_Dave Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I've got a fair few Asus, DSL-N55U Dual Band routers here. They need testing as they're failed customer orders. But would one of those do for you? 1
IrritableTech Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I've got a fair few Asus, DSL-N55U Dual Band routers here. They need testing as they're failed customer orders. But would one of those do for you? You've got a few? I might be interested for my home use if you'd like to PM me a price? Fed up of my stock router, and it's replacement isn't acting quite as I'd like.
cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 I could get a replacement from my ISP, but they load customised firmware onto every box, as they don't use standard ADSL settings - so you can't just go to currys or what not and buy a standard wireless ADSL router, as it may not work!!
IrritableTech Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I could get a replacement from my ISP, but they load customised firmware onto every box, as they don't use standard ADSL settings - so you can't just go to currys or what not and buy a standard wireless ADSL router, as it may not work!! Who is your ISP?
cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) KCOM KCOM Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sky in this area would be a god send.. WE ONLY HAVE ONE SUPPLIER!!!!! "The main concern is that of Internet service provision; KC's Karoo service is the only residential broadband operator in the Hull area." Edited April 23, 2014 by cpjitservices
IrritableTech Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 KCOM KCOM Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sky in this area would be a god send.. WE ONLY HAVE ONE SUPPLIER!!!!! "The main concern is that of Internet service provision; KC's Karoo service is the only residential broadband operator in the Hull area." Fair enough - I was wondering if it was sky too. Nothing to add I'm afraid around getting login details out of their routers.
SchoolsBroadband Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 You've got a few? I might be interested for my home use if you'd like to PM me a price? Fed up of my stock router, and it's replacement isn't acting quite as I'd like. @IrritableTech I'm about to take stock of circa 350 Draytek 2820 / 2830's as we migrate people to our cloud solution. Let me know if you want one dirt cheap Dave
mac_shinobi Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) A Draytek Vigor 120 ( to deal with the DSL Connection ) and a linksys 1900ac router ? Draytek Vigor 120 : http://www.amazon.co.uk/DrayTek-Vigor-120-external-Ethernet/dp/B0032Q120Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1398268106&sr=1-1&keywords=draytek+vigor+120 Linksys WRT 1900 AC ( If money wasn't an issue ) : Linksys WRT1900AC Smart Wi-Fi Router - (Open Source Ready, 1.2 Ghz Processor, 128mb Flash Memory, 256 DDR3 RAM): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories Not sure about the PFSense part , maybe have a small form factor pc with PFSense or failing that a virtual machine that runs PFSense ? Maybe the WRT54G ( disable the wireless on the router ) and use your own WiFi AP ) and you can shove tomato, OpenWRT and or DD-WRT or something similar on that ? Failing that maybe a netgear router and do something similar ? Edited April 23, 2014 by mac_shinobi
mac_shinobi Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I've got a fair few Asus, DSL-N55U Dual Band routers here. They need testing as they're failed customer orders. But would one of those do for you? @ICTDirect_Dave - Are those the dark knight routers, if so how much ?
IrritableTech Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 @IrritableTech I'm about to take stock of circa 350 Draytek 2820 / 2830's as we migrate people to our cloud solution. Let me know if you want one dirt cheap Dave Dirt cheap - I like the sound of this. I'll email you. I was thinking about the draytek 120 and mikrotik combo you know so well, but you've got me thinking now...
mac_shinobi Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 @IrritableTech I'm about to take stock of circa 350 Draytek 2820 / 2830's as we migrate people to our cloud solution. Let me know if you want one dirt cheap Dave @SchoolsBroadband - How much is dirt cheap and is this offer only to @IrritableTech ??
cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Id like to know the price of the Drayteks too... well @mac_shinobi.. .. depends whether the draytek 120 works with a KC connection!! - Netgears have a major problem with KC.
mac_shinobi Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Id like to know the price of the Drayteks too... well @mac_shinobi.. .. depends whether the draytek 120 works with a KC connection!! - Netgears have a major problem with KC. No idea - don't see why not though as the draytek vigor 120 is an actual DSL Modem as apposed to the netgear modems that aren't that brilliant, prolly better speaking to KCOM Support etc ?
cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 No idea - don't see why not though as the draytek vigor 120 is an actual DSL Modem as apposed to the netgear modems that aren't that brilliant, prolly better speaking to KCOM Support etc ? Its the actual modems were the compatability issues are, the wont support anything other than the routers they supply... even asking about a 3rd party one is a no go you will not get an answer, if you go into Currys or PC World here you actually get told 'dont buy our routers if your a KC residential customer as they wont work properly' It's that bad!
mac_shinobi Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Its the actual modems were the compatability issues are, the wont support anything other than the routers they supply... even asking about a 3rd party one is a no go you will not get an answer, if you go into Currys or PC World here you actually get told 'dont buy our routers if your a KC residential customer as they wont work properly' It's that bad! Can't you get it to clone the MAC address of there router and do it that way ? Just a thought
cpjitservices Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Can't you get it to clone the MAC address of there router and do it that way ? Just a thought Tried that one a while back on one of KC's business connections.... it didnt go too well !!. It's the way the the modem authenticates over the network, It's PPPoA but not done at their end in the traditional sense of a standard PAP/CHAP handshake as you need other settings to be absolutely correct before it will connect, there's other factors too. Cheers though.
mac_shinobi Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 Tried that one a while back on one of KC's business connections.... it didnt go too well !!. It's the way the the modem authenticates over the network, It's PPPoA but not done at their end in the traditional sense of a standard PAP/CHAP handshake as you need other settings to be absolutely correct before it will connect, there's other factors too. Cheers though. You able to check what other settings there are on ya router they provided or is it totally toasted ? Maybe get them to send you a replacement router and see what other settings there are. Aren't there VC and other adsl settings that you need ?
cpjitservices Posted April 24, 2014 Author Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah theres all sorts of settings to do with VCI settings etc, however it's not just those settings you need to make a non KC router work, they add whatever they add to the firmware for authentication etc - the network they use is really old and hasn't been upgraded, even the fiber network... it's just replaced cable from copper to fiber they havent put any new kit in or upgraded anything it's just all ... old. So this is why they load custom firmware.... so that routers work on their network properly. It's a PITA. - You can get some routers to work perfect, Draytkes work as do technicolor tg670's.
SchoolsBroadband Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 @SchoolsBroadband - How much is dirt cheap and is this offer only to @IrritableTech ?? Well to my existing customers they can have a Draytek 2820 for £10 or a 2830 for £50 + p&p I'm out all day and tomorrow so will get our operations ladies to check how many I have in stock at the moment. The 350 will be coming back over the next 6 months. I'll think of a price to none Schools Broadband customers soon Heck if you move your school broadband connection to us I might just throw you in a spare one anyway Thanks Dave
MatthewL Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 Have a look at this, can't see there been any problem with any ADSL router using these settings KC - Help and support - How do I setup a router I purchased myself? 1
cpjitservices Posted April 25, 2014 Author Posted April 25, 2014 Have a look at this, can't see there been any problem with any ADSL router using these settings KC - Help and support - How do I setup a router I purchased myself? Have done this, however if you use a third party router with the manual settings often you get things like random disconnects, alot of people are experiencing this issue at the moment. For some reason with the non KC routers, customers get drop outs and sometimes don't come back on, it happens completely random. As far as I know it's not just a couple of customers experiencing this.
SchoolsBroadband Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Dirt cheap - I like the sound of this. I'll email you. I was thinking about the draytek 120 and mikrotik combo you know so well, but you've got me thinking now... One Draytek 2830 in the post to @IrritableTechfor the paltry sum of £50 inc VAT when they should be £180 + VAT Thank you for being one of our good customers 2
IrritableTech Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 One Draytek 2830 in the post to @IrritableTechfor the paltry sum of £50 inc VAT when they should be £180 + VAT Thank you for being one of our good customers Thanks David. Arrived this afternoon and it's fitted and running this evening. :-)
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