fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I'm curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the recent cloning thing going on? Rebecca Smith: Why I became owner of Britain's first cloned dog - Rebecca Smith - Mirror Online Channel 4 follows competition to give a dog a clone - Channel 4 - Info - Press Personally I think it is wrong but would like to get everyone's views Matt
Oaktech Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Don't really see the point of this specifically... Whilst the dog is genetically identical, environmental factors will mean the dog will grow up with different characteristics to the original. I can see the attraction of it from a commercial point of view that if you clone an animal with near perfect genetics for the purpose you intend to use it you can continue to clone it and it continue to be perfect.
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 Same, I can see why people want to do it and I also think that its an amazing feat of science but call me old school, I don't think it is morally acceptable.
localzuk Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I have no issue with the technology or it being used where it makes sense. I have no moral issue with it - it doesn't hurt anyone. However, I do think it is wrong to be creating even more pets when there are 10s of millions of dogs living on the streets of the EU which need homes!
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 Inevitably I think it will transpire that they want to start cloning Humans.. How do people feel about that?
tmcd35 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 meh, can't see what all the fuss is about. It's amazing that we can do these things and no doubt as time goes on and the technology advances it'll get safer, more reliable, and maybe even have medical uses. To me it's the same storm in a teacup that surrounds GM crops. Let's hear what the experts have to say and ensure the field is properly regulated and leave it at that.
localzuk Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Inevitably I think it will transpire that they want to start cloning Humans.. How do people feel about that? Again, I have no moral issue with it - so long as it is limited to the extent where it doesn't become a problem with genetic variation (that would be many years in the future though). If it were, say, to clone Einstein, that might make sense - one of the world's greatest minds carries on working! It should also never be used as a method of getting new organs... But for the average person, it makes no sense.
pooley Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Inevitably I think it will transpire that they want to start cloning Humans.. How do people feel about that? As long as they promise not to clone my wife then i'm happy 1
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 Haha, imagine that! Imagine showing Einstein an iPad, the ISS, an Airbus. Brilliant!
6Foot2 Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Link: Korean scientist Hwang Woo-suk behind Britain's first cloned dog is a convicted fraudster | Mail Online [Apologies for the Daily Fail link]
LosOjos Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Again, I have no moral issue with it - so long as it is limited to the extent where it doesn't become a problem with genetic variation (that would be many years in the future though). If it were, say, to clone Einstein, that might make sense - one of the world's greatest minds carries on working! It should also never be used as a method of getting new organs... But for the average person, it makes no sense. Haha, imagine that! Imagine showing Einstein an iPad, the ISS, an Airbus. Brilliant! I think cloning the likes of Einstein would in itself be a fascinating experiment - obviously the clone will have none of Einstein's memories or share the same experiences, so would he still be a genius? Would he be able to intuitively understand the original's findings? Would he be able to expand on them? Or would he be an average Joe? Would knowing he's a clone drive him insane, or even the pressure of expectation? It's all very Sci-Fi!
abillybob Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Point being if you clone something your just making it the same though the mind won't be the same. So if you clone a 34 year old man with vast knowledge of Science the clone won't have that it would be a fully formed man but with all the characteristics of a baby as it hasn't learnt yet surely? From a medical aspect it could be cool, the fact you could clone organs your body wouldn't reject it and then as we can already genetically modify the DNA we would take lets say the "Cancer" structure away from the clone DNA and insert it into the new hosts body. The body wouldn't reject the organ as it is as far as it's concerned the same organ and belongs to you it just doesn't have the gene that makes it cancerous. Cloning a whole human would be illegal, think of the fraudulent damage one could do with a clone.... 1
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 Point being if you clone something your just making it the same though the mind won't be the same. So if you clone a 34 year old man with vast knowledge of Science the clone won't have that it would be a fully formed man but with all the characteristics of a baby as it hasn't learnt yet surely? From a medical aspect it could be cool, the fact you could clone organs your body wouldn't reject it and then as we can already genetically modify the DNA we would take lets say the "Cancer" structure away from the clone DNA and insert it into the new hosts body. The body wouldn't reject the organ as it is as far as it's concerned the same organ and belongs to you it just doesn't have the gene that makes it cancerous. Cloning a whole human would be illegal, think of the fraudulent damage one could do with a clone.... Haha, exactly what you just described, see: The Island (2005 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
SYNACK Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Cloning is a tool, what makes it good or evil is the intent of the people involved.
abillybob Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Haha, exactly what you just described, see: The Island (2005 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I am watching this tonight.
Trapper Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I always think of the book Spares by Michael Marshall Smith. I can imagine some of the less well policed nations doing this. Would the Chinese leadership? Would Putin?
Haptic Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I am watching this tonight. Good luck @abillybob it is pretty awful Chris
localzuk Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 T'is a good watch! Agreed. I liked that movie. Its pretty thought provoking!
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 I can imagine some of the less well policed nations doing this. Would the Chinese leadership? Would Putin? N Korea?
Haptic Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 I always think of the book Spares by Michael Marshall Smith. I can imagine some of the less well policed nations doing this. Would the Chinese leadership? Would Putin? How do you know that they haven't done it already? It would explain "bad" Putin's behaviour - maybe "good/better" Putin is having a break. Chris
SYNACK Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Agreed. I liked that movie. Its pretty thought provoking! Hmm maybe, this is an honest question... I think of this kind of stuff all the time so not as provoking, lots of people seemingly found the movie Her (2013) - IMDb though provoking apparently but I was non plussed as I had gone through most of the scenarios in my head already and actually found it kind of dry and limited. Does no one else think of random stuff like like this in their off hours?
fairm010 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Posted April 10, 2014 "A lonely writer develops an unlikely relationship with his newly purchased operating system that's designed to meet his every need." I HAVE to see this!
Sdrawkcab Posted April 10, 2014 Posted April 10, 2014 Same, I can see why people want to do it and I also think that its an amazing feat of science but call me old school, I don't think it is morally acceptable. Can you explain why you don't think it's morally acceptable without saying "It's not natural"?
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