CAM Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 The fees debacle also marks a difference between the emerging trends for console DRM and PC which has been around a while. If your PC code is used then it is used, that is it. It won't work without going to the shop or online store and buying another. Consoles on the other hand want an online pass or a small fee to activate the software in an environment that is already sharing heavy (but not illegally sharing if you give the disk to a friend as you then can't play it until they give it back!). Console DRM smacks of money grabbing instead of product protection which is DRM's supposed purpose.
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 If your PC code is used then it is used, that is it. Which has ALWAYS pissed me off... Like I said, none of the other industries have anything like this. So, how the hell did it get brought in?
tech_guy Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Arguments aside, does anyone know how much it's going to retail for in £'s?
VeryPC_Tom_M Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Xbox One: Gamerscore, Gamertags Carry Over[/url]]Another burning question is whether or not the next-generation Xbox would be backwards compatible. The answer is that it definitely will not. Xbox One runs on the x86 processor architecture, whereas the Xbox 360 was PowerPC based, meaning that Xbox 360 games simply will not run on Xbox One. Your XBLA purchases and Xbox 360 marketplace content will not be making the jump either. “We care very much about the investment people have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future," a Microsoft rep told Engadget. Just like any other console transition, the support for the previous generation will be around for some time, especially when you consider the installed user base. Looks like I'm still on course for the PS4..
CAM Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Which has ALWAYS pissed me off... Like I said, none of the other industries have anything like this. So, how the hell did it get brought in? It's not right I agree and I hope the EU can pull some leverage over an otherwise unregulated wild west industry. But PC gaming doesn't have fees whilst consoles are implementing them to prevent otherwise legal activity. Where PC DRM is protecting software (badly!) the console market is using it as yet another source of revenue. That is considerably less forgivable.
Sunnyknight Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Arguments aside, does anyone know how much it's going to retail for in £'s? £399 inc vat
sonofsanta Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 £399 inc vat Source? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this "activation fee" illegal under US law's First Sale doctrine? I suspect it will have similar issues with EU law and the right to resell digital goods.
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Source? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this "activation fee" illegal under US law's First Sale doctrine? I suspect it will have similar issues with EU law and the right to resell digital goods. Half of the things these companies do are illegal one way or another... They don't care. Also, they could [attempt to] pull an Oracle. You still have the right to sell the physical media... You just have to pay to use it. It renders the second hand copy useless without paying an extra fee, but it doesn't stop people selling it. [Digital on the other hand...]
LosOjos Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 P.s I don't play any video games, haven't touched one all my life. I do 'engage' on multiplayer platform activities in which i socialize with other lifeforms. *AHEM*
Sunnyknight Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Source? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this "activation fee" illegal under US law's First Sale doctrine? I suspect it will have similar issues with EU law and the right to resell digital goods. Five unanswered questions about the Xbox One | Reviews - Games and Gear - CNET Reviews My bad, $399 - $499. Approx £275 - 375?
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Five unanswered questions about the Xbox One | Reviews - Games and Gear - CNET Reviews My bad, $399 - $499. Approx £275 - 375? That's a guess. MS and Sony haven't given an actual price yet. [sony were talking about £300... or £399. I can't remember.]
Rawns Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Five unanswered questions about the Xbox One | Reviews - Games and Gear - CNET Reviews My bad, $399 - $499. Approx £275 - 375? CNets best guess. No official pricing yet, but values around that mark seem realistic.
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Leaked. Xbox One Price Is £399 - NowGamer "Though Microsoft has just announced the Xbox One, it hasn't yet officially revealed the price of the next-gen Xbox." [Emphasis mine.] Until MS officially comment on it, it's a rumour. Also, lots of shops put up prices before they're confirmed, just so they have something there.
sted Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 as to lending dosent the "im off to get a drink while this poo goes away screen" say no unauthorised copying, hiring or lending so it might be legal (not moral or justifiable). As to price i expect it to be a straight $1 = £1 as everything seems to be meaning that we overpay compared to the yanks again. I supose that leaving big games anouncements to e3 does make sense but if they were going to do that why not do the whole launch there? and needing to connect once every 24 hours im assuming that means that they can revoke you "license" to play a game or possibly less dark force you to download a 2gb patch before you play
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 as to lending dosent the "im off to get a drink while this poo goes away screen" say no unauthorised copying, hiring or lending so it might be legal (not moral or justifiable). www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg ^ Definitely NSFW.
tmcd35 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Well after all this XBox negativity, I'm gonna give MS some credit. There was something very interesting in the announcement, I'm just worried about how very tucked away it was - an after thought. I like the idea of 300,000 cloud servers usable by devs to create larger, more persistent and dynamic gaming worlds. Unfortunately though, MS just showed of a £400 TV Remote?!? Sony actually showed off proper games, er running in game, and talked games, and indie development, and well - I'm sold! If MS turn up at E3 with a proper in game live demonstration of 1 or 2 compelling new IP's that effectively use this cloud technology to create complex open worlds for me to explore - well, I'll forgive them all the TV and Kinnect rubbish they showed last night and happily buy a XBOX ONE over a PS4... Edited May 22, 2013 by tmcd35
localzuk Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 The only game footage MS showed wasn't actually gameplay footage - even when the guy from Infinity Ward said "and now, some gameplay footage". It was all cinematic footage. Which isn't exactly useful.
Ghostgame Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Xbox is no longer a games console but a media hub. If you want a dedicated games console get a PS4.
Guest Guest Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Xbox is no longer a games console but a media hub. If you want a dedicated games console get a PS4. Interesting that the last gen was the complete opposite; If you want a media centre get a PS3 If you want a games console get an XBOX 360. To me MS are heading in exactly the right direction. Smart TVs have clunky OSes which people struggle to use for youtube and browse the web. Apple TV has the ability to be controlled by a tablet/phone. Skype. Media centre. TV PVR? Xbox one can do all of these [in one controlled ecosystem - good for compatibility and good for MSes profits]
Sunnyknight Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Interesting that the last gen was the complete opposite; If you want a media centre get a PS3 If you want a games console get an XBOX 360. To me MS are heading in exactly the right direction. Smart TVs have clunky OSes which people struggle to use for youtube and browse the web. Apple TV has the ability to be controlled by a tablet/phone. Skype. Media centre. TV PVR? Xbox one can do all of these [in one controlled ecosystem - good for compatibility and good for MSes profits] Uhhhh, you missed out something crucial... Games? That's why people bought an 'Xbox'. It's 10x better online via multiplayer.
X-13 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 It's 10x better online via multiplayer. Yes... because sexist, racist, homophobic 10 year olds screaming at me makes games so much better.
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