No Sympathy.

[sippo]

I'm sorry but people have tried to help you but you just haven't helped yourself.

 

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“Last week was a bad week and I ate too many biscuits.

“I lose myself in food. I can’t open a packet of biscuits and eat one — I have to eat them all.”

[Guest salan]

It is very easy to agree with you, but there can be (not saying there is) reasons for this type of thing.

Let me explain.

I had high blood pressure (uncontrolled) for 15 years. No amount of meds would bring it under control.

I was permanently starving. Felt all the time as though I had never eaten for days 24/7.

My weight went up and up (got to 20stone). It was a constant battle.

Turns out that I had an adenoma on my adrenal gland. This stopped the message to my brain to say I was full when eating. So My brain always thought I was hungry.

Last May I had my gland (and lump, only 11mm in size) removed.

The damage to my heart etc from 15 years of too much adrenaline, aldestertone, and cortisol is still being assessed. My weight has come down. I lost 2 1/2 stone in four weeks.I have been told for now to stop dieting whilst they do all the tests.

A few weeks after I came out form my op, I actually was eating an meal and felt full. It was so strange a feeling that It felt like I was sick. I left half a plate of food (and that was a small portion).

The point I am making is that it is easy to just say they are lazy/greedy etc, but some times there is a reason behind it. As in my case.

Alan

Edited March 28, 2013 by salan

[X-13]

The point I am making is that it is easy to just say they are lazy/greedy etc, but some times there is a reason behind it. As in my case.

 

In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

 

As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.

[Guest salan]

In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

 

As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.

Agree but someone in that situation will need a lot of 'mentoring' to get her into good habits.

Why for example do people do drugs even after they know it is killing them?

There are some people that you just can't help. but I do not considerer myself so 'pure' to decide who to just give up on.

alan

[X-13]

Why for example do people do drugs even after they know it is killing them?

 

Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.

[Sdrawkcab]

It's not really as simple as "JUST STOP EATING", and frankly saying that it is is pretty insulting to people with genuine eating disorders? Telling someone who is overweight something like that is as helpful as telling someone with depression "JUST CHEER UP OKAY". People who are obese don't just "like food a lot", there are a lot of complex psychological (and sometimes medical) reasons for their condition. What, did you think they enjoy being fat?

 

In this case, there is no reason for it. The girl went to a camp in America and lost A LOT of weight because she was eating properly and exercising.

 

As soon as she got back it was all put on again because every meal was loads of junk food.

 

THEY'VE HAD OVER A YEAR TO CHEER UP AND THEY JUST WON'T DO IT. THEY EVEN WENT ON HOLIDAY LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE MUCH HAPPIER, BUT AS SOON AS THEY GOT HOME IT WAS ALL SADNESS SADNESS SADNESS ALL OVER AGAIN. I'M HAPPY, SO WHY AREN'T THEY?

 

I am exaggerating here obviously, but you get the point.

[creese]

Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.

 

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[sparkeh]

Wow, a lot of people riding some very high horses around here.

Easy to judge someone without having to live their life or deal with their problems.

I'd like to believe that we live in a world where people who need help are looked after and given the help they need. Clearly not everyone shared my hope.

 

At the other end of the spectrum, I once supported someone through an eating disorder, just telling her to eat was not the solution. It took a long time and a lot of support to confront the issues that caused her to stop eating. Its not something that every really leaves you and she has to deal with it every day.

[Sdrawkcab]

Because it's an addiction that causes withdrawal if you stop. AFAIK junk food doesn't do that.

 

Addiction =/= dependency. You can be addicted to plenty of things without actually being physically dependent on them (see: videogames, jogging, television, spending money). Even with physical dependency, any kind of addiction is 99% in your mind. Take smoking as an example: 3 days after stopping smoking, you no longer have any nicotine in your body. This means that physical dependency also stops, and yet people who have "quit" smoking often pick it back up after a short time because they claim they are craving it too much. Why do they do this when they actually shouldn't be suffering withdrawal symptoms any more? Answer: Because they are addicted to it.

[X-13]

Take smoking as an example: 3 days after stopping smoking, you no longer have any nicotine in your body.

 

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[chazzy2501]

Someone must have noticed that she is too fat to get the food herself. Someone is feeding her. Why don't they ignore her requests for more food and supply a healthy diet. They're as culpable as she is.

[Sdrawkcab]

Duration of nicotine withdrawal symptoms [Source]

 

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[TD]Headaches

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[TD]1 to 2 weeks^[122]

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[TD]2 to 4 weeks^[122]

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Yep well done. You win. You found the one thing I was wrong about in my post and then ignored all the other points I made. Congratulations.

[ButterflyMoon]

@X-13 I can see where you are coming from regarding addiction specifically in cigarettes. Eating DISORDERS are a very different thing altogether. There are generally psychological reasons why a person overeats to the extent this young girl has. It takes more than just saying DON'T EAT SO MUCH. She needs proper clinical and psychologicak help in order to learn how to control her eating habits and deal with the reasons behind it. Edited March 28, 2013 by ButterflyMoon

[sippo]

Eating disorder yes, but if someone is 43st then something is wrong. She just isn't helping herself. Her parents are partially to blame as well. She should never have been allowed to get to that weight.

[X-13]

You found the one thing I was wrong about in my post and then ignored all the other points I made.

 

Indeed, because that's all I was doing, making a correction.

[Greenbeast]

Eating disorder yes, but if someone is 43st then something is wrong. She just isn't helping herself. Her parents are partially to blame as well. She should never have been allowed to get to that weight.

 

quite, it's not like it creeps up on you

[X-13]

She needs proper clinical and psychologicak help in order to learn how to control her eating habits and deal with the reasons behind it.

 

She did get that in the camp she went to. I think the argument made when she first put the weight back on was that she wasn't getting the support she needed at home.

 

There's also the fact that is becomes increasingly difficult to excercise as your weight goes up due to the stress it puts on your joints. Which makes it easier to put on weight... which make it harder to shift it.

Edited March 28, 2013 by X-13

[Sdrawkcab]

Eating disorder yes, but if someone is 43st then something is wrong. She just isn't helping herself.

 

This is an extremely hateful and ignorant thing to say. Have you ever been addicted to anything? Have you ever had a mental problem of any kind, like depression or anxiety? It's not as simple as "They just aren't trying!!!!". Pretending you can 'bootstraps' your way out of a situation like this is an extremely backward/old-fashioned way of thinking.

 

 

Her parents are partially to blame as well. She should never have been allowed to get to that weight.

 

This is obviously true as well, but people should be asking why the parents allowed her to get like this, not condemning them for it. It's pretty clear that the girl isn't healthy, so why did they keep feeding her even when she couldn't get the food herself?

[chazzy2501]

I have to admit, I love to judge fat people. I like to point out you don't wake up fat and you can't get fat from the air, it went in your mouth. What really ires people when it comes to fat people are the excuses.

 

Clearly though when you get to this state you need help, self-discipline is a fantasy when you can't toilet yourself anymore.

 

Really what upsets me is that she was allowed to get into this state, at what point do people say that this behaviour is tantermount to self harm.

[witch]

Someone must have noticed that she is too fat to get the food herself. Someone is feeding her. Why don't they ignore her requests for more food and supply a healthy diet. They're as culpable as she is.

 

^ this is my problem too. It is often the parents or carers who don't help the situation AT ALL. I think they need the counselling and support just as much as the obese person does. I have seen many of this sort of program on TV (car crash telly) and it is usually a family member who goes on bringing food because they cannot bear to see their loved one unhappy. I think they should be helped but I do think an element of blame does attach to them - at some point SOMEONE has to take at least a bit of responsibility for things being the way they are. Not ALL one person's fault of course.

The fat camps are fine in their way but they don't motivate everyone or follow up with how to keep going after it is over - this girl is not taking hold of her own destiny.

I do think that sometimes we do go a bit far with the "it's not your fault, it's an addiction" attitude. For whatever reason - even if it is a compulsioin - it IS you that did this to yourself and you have have dig deep to find the willpower and mental power to overcome it - and you should have all the help you need to do it.

 

*unless you have a medical condition - completely different scenario then

Edited March 28, 2013 by witch

[localzuk]

Tarring 'fat people' with the same brush is like saying that all black people are criminals or that all men with long hair are hippies.

 

People are fat for medical reasons, mental reasons, laziness, or a mix of them all.

 

Take my mother, she is overweight, due to medical reasons - she is on steroids and has mobility issues, so end result - problems losing weight.

 

There are some fat people who shout loudly about being discriminated against over their life choice to be the weight they've chosen to be. These people? I feel they are in the laziness group.

 

People with mental health issues find ways to cope with them. Some use self harm, some use food, some undertake risky behaviour like promiscuity or drug taking. These people need help.

 

As a country, maybe even a world, we still treat mental health issues as something that can be treated with a 'stiff upper lip' or 'ah, they'll grow out of it' attitude.

 

The medication to treat bipolar disorder? Lithium. A toxic metal which if you ingest too much will result in your death. Too little and it does nothing.

 

We 'section' people for various mental health issues, but others we simply ignore or treat with anti-depressants which mute the issue.

 

One thing to note with this girl is that her mother is also overweight, so doesn't have any self-control herself. Of course she wasn't going to get back to the UK and carry on being healthy, her mother didn't provide any support for her. If you've got multiple generations of fat people in a family, of course it will continue, and it'll get worse as it continues also.

Edited March 28, 2013 by localzuk

[sippo]

She lost so much weight, said she felt good about herself then put all the weight back on.

 

I still stand by the statement that she could have done something before getting to that weight. If she couldn't then someone should have, be that her parents, relative or friends.

[witch]

She lost so much weight, said she felt good about herself then put all the weight back on.

.

 

She needs to answer the question - WHY did she put it all back on - and address those issues that come up.AND her carers with her. Or she will never get anywhere - well, she will - into her grave, I'm afraid

[AngryTechnician]

On the topic of addiction: you can become addicted to something even if there is no addictive substance directly involved, because like many activities, the brain releases dopamine when you eat, which can form an addiction-like cycle in the brain. This is the mechanism by which people become addicted to gambling, even though there is no substance ingested at all. Fortunately, the process is reversible, but it takes determination and time. Here's a slightly more detailed explanation in the context of porn addiction:

 

 

tl;dr: you can be physiologically addicted to eating even if the food itself is not addictive.

[featured_spectre]

OK, I will but in here.

 

This time 18 months ago, I was 35st. When I attended bett 3 years ago (on the geek stand), I was 20st. In 18 months, I put on almost a stone a month, and this was nobody elses fault but mine. It came to a head when I sat in my favourite chair in the living room, and it broke (as embarrassing as it is). I decided to turn my life around, I was addicted (and I use the word very carefully) to junk food. When I ate healthy food, it made me sick. I saw a psychologist, a physiotherapist and a dietician, and between them, they worked out exactly what the addiction was. It was an addiction to the various sugars (dextrose, sucrose and maltose). Having cut these out for the vast majority, along with 95% wheat based products, I have gone down from a 68in waist and 35st beast, to a 46/48in waist, and 24st. I still have another 5-6 st to lose, however it is a slow process.

 

Right now, I steer clear of all junk food, this includes - McDonalds (or any other fast food chain), any form of fried chicken (or products from a chicken shop), ready meals, pre-prepared foods (such as pre sliced apples etc). My diet consists of much more fruit and veg, and whilst I am still not back to my original weight, my skin has cleared up, my weight has not gone back up, and I feel better in general. However it IS a constant battle with the junk food, as I have to pass a row of chicken shops and fast food chains on the way into work and on the way home, and it is quite literally me talking to myself to not go in.

 

She has an addiction, pure and simple.