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I just edited my post because I couldn't delete it...

It seems to have vanished ?

I have been through the BSF and was at the meeting table when the BSF Consultants said that we would lose control of our ICT and the staff would be halved.... And that the Future of ICT in Schools there would no need for ICT Managers... 8 Schools would have 1 ICT Manager and 10 to 15 Tech's (job losses of 7 ICT Managers and 15 Technicians) as in TUPE'ing you can retrench staff if it is not economically viable and this does not have to be presented at the initial discussions as it can be done later after an reassessment of the contract.. say in 6 months I was there and I was gobsmacked.... Do you know the expression .. "Good girls go to Heaven.. and Bad Girls go everywhere".. well that's life.. the Good get slaughtered because they think it's a level playing field and the Bad get everything... Why do you think the Consultants keep you in the dark as much as possible.. because the less you know the less you can object to ... So jolly ho... anyway you sit back and wait and deal with it when it happens.. by that time it's already too late.... Some other Edugeek Members waited until the Consultation started and now they are being called Negative by their teaching colleagues because they telling it like it is and all their teachers see is a big bright shiny school.. You are naive...... the idea is to try and show the BSF Weak (dirt) Points in an articulate way and try to make a strong business case of keeping the ICT Support in-House .... not be unprofessional as you suggest How is this frothing at the mouth and being paranoid ? Exactly the fine art of misinformation or lack of information... keeps the opposition in the dark and they don't know what to oppose.. for instance... they'll sometimes have BSF ICT Meetings on siteand not invite the ICT Manager Misinformation is wrong or inaccurate information. It is distinguished from disinformation by motive. Misinformation is simply erroneous. Disinformation, in contrast, is intended to mislead. and A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies. Disinformants sometimes seek to gain the confidence of their audience through emotional appeals or by using semi-neutral language interlaced with threads of disinformation. "Disinformation is a fact of life in politics. Those who practice politics for a living call it "spin." *giggle* *giggle* what FUN!

HELLO!!! .. what do you think this thread is about ... LMAO.... This thread is from a reporter asking about the BSF to do an article in Computer.net... Thats why we need as much dirt as possible.. and try to make it stick... and not have people like you washing it off all the time.. *sigh* you really don't get the picture do you ?

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Mortstar said in some bizarre fashion of having sex with a Preying Mantis We all Agree that the bad schools will benifit from the BSF... but the good schools will be worse off But the "deliver real value for taxpayers' money" is not going to happen.. 1/The cost of supporting a school is going to double 2/ Remember the Computers for Pupils ? The thousands and thousands of Laptops and PC's that the Government bought children on Free School Meals... well our Laptops and PC's were nearly a £100 more expensive than MISCO, and I said to the LA that we were being ripped by the supplier chosen by the LA and thay said that I cannot buy from MISCO or A N other and I have to by from the "chosen one" So where's your "flexing" here then..? the LA knew that it was more expensive but still chose them.. and we lost out on 50 laptops for children because of being forced to by at inflated prices. Take Hackney... the NM's are being phased out and replaced with a single "Technical Manager" overlooking the 10 BSF schools... The Technical Staff are being halved on the sites, one site from 3 to 1.5 tech's... The Network Managers are asked to apply for any job on the RM job board... but there is only 1 job in 10 BSF Builds for the Network Mangers Position... the other 9 will be TUPED for a short while until they can find another job... (infact there is only 1 job today in RM for a "Technical Manager") Then they will be retrenched under the Economic Opt Out Clause in the TUPE regulations.. Now this is maybe the Template for RM BSF Rollout accross the country.. PS.. If the BSF is so great why are none of the BSF Finished School Technicians on the board raving about it ?.. a/ Maybe it's not that good... or b/ they have been gagged as I know that RM takes a very harsh view of negative threads about them.. even as an end user we were blocked from chatting on forums with the threat of losingn the software

So you have no Loyality or Honour then.. you are a"Fence Sitter" a person without conviction... but in reality you just argue for the sake of arguing...

Maybe you should read what I said again SLOWLY and you might understand what I am getting at. ... I agree on a rational argument anyday.. but we don't need someone with super intelligence feeding/giving super information to the enemy Are you that naive to think that because you are playing as a gentlemen they will... they want your Network as it means profits to them... Well not yours because Wales is not going to be purged by the BSF?..

Our kids also pull out the cat 5 when they are on a game... Wonder how this will work under the BSF ?

Can you supply your suppliers details please

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Ok i have just done 3 hours of Yoga and I am feeling chilled again :-)

Please read the thread before replying as you are grabbing the wrong end of the stick...... THE IDEA OF THIS THREAD IS SO AS SOMEONE CAN DO AN ARTICLE....THE IDEA OF THE ARTICLE I HOPE IS TO PAINT THE BSF OUTSOURSING IN A BAD LIGHT... it's not about negotiating deals with MSPs.. ITS ABOUT GETTING THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE BAD SIDE OF BSF OUTSOUCING IN SCHOOLS THAT HAVE GOOD ICT... So having someone bigging up the outsourcing is not a good thing.... why he's doing it I have no idea.. This is not what this thread is about... and if you look at this forum you'll see why you were dozing in your server room having an afternoon nap I was trying to get this forum up and started because most people act like you.. people who really couldn't care less Yes and the average person uses the information given to them or at hand.. if they have limited information then they make decisions on that... If they have an intelligent person feeding them harmful (to us) informatoin then they will use that... I have information to hand that can cause a lot of damage and harm to a certain group.... yet I choose to remain silent so no damage is caused... or I could open my big mouth and play devils advocate and ruin them...

Tony is a very very intelligent and articulated Man... and this makes him dangerous very dangerous to our cause as he gives people ideas and content to BSF argument…. This idea is to get the average person onside to try and stop the BSF forcing Managed Services… .. Yet Tony gives these people who would never have thought of the information he supplies the information to query us… and as they say… “Information is Power”

I have no idea and it quite staggering to comprehend to why you are supporting the BSF Managed Service Senario..... ?!? It beggers belief.. We are trying to set some groundwork and get the ball rolling in the questioning of the BSF and we have you within our own ranks shooting us down... are you trying to sabotage our efforts in getting the press onside ?

All the above on our site are supported and run by the ICT Department... We are responsible for the good running of it all... not Building management and i trust it's the same in most schools... if it has a plug it's the ICT departments responsibility.. And having all this go to a seperate support contract is going to send the cost of supporting the school out of thim world.. Tills go down middle of lunch = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly (heh heh imagine caling a help desk) Doors Locks don't Open = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly CCTV is not working = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly VOIP (phones not working) = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly Photocopiers not working = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly Library Scanner not working at Lunch = Call ICT, ICT are there instantly. Need AV in a room for a presentation = Call ICT, ICT will set it up Legacy Equiptment Call ICT, ICT will support all Equipment on site no matter how old. (it's our job, we don't just fix new kit) And the biggest issue of all.... The Destruction of the Schools In-House ICT Support Community... We are part of the School, we work for the School, we discuss and develop ideas and visions for the School, we are run by the school, we go to the schools chrstmas party, we go to the prom,.. we have the schools and local communitys intrests at heart.. under the BSF we will no longer be part of the local community we just will be IT Contractors working on a site.

The Cost of running the Network will double with less service.....as the BSF costs are £100 per child this is what the big 4 are charging.. So our School that has 1400 students is being run with 1 Network Manager and 2 Technicians.. Cost to School = £60,000 per year (with flexi hours) Basic cost to school under BSF Managed Services= £140,000.00 (basic working hours) Our School now.. 1400 Kids ICT Staff: £60 000 Jobs handled PC's, Servers, Printers, Vandalism, Projectors, Telephones, AV for lessons, AV Screens, OHP's, Hand Holding for OFSTED and other Lessons, Lesson Covering, SIMS (installation and bug fixing at workstation), Cashless Catering, Photocopiers, off site AV productions, Access Control, CCTV, Library Database, TV's, Plasma's content, COMPLUS Tanoy System, CCTV event capturing, VOIP, Video Confrencing, and legacy equipement (3 year old PC's and Servers) which are still working fine but the BSF said they would not support.. maintainance CCTV: £25 000 Total in-house cost £75 000 for everything 18 hours a day 7 days a week BSF Basic Cost: 9 - 5.... 5 days a week only.... is £140,0000.00 this is a basic cost for only Servers, PC's (under 3 years ) and Printers Also all faults have to be assessed to see if they are covered by the SLA and if not a PO has to be issued before any work gets done. Additional work we do that is not under the basic BSF SLA and has to be added to the Managed Services Contract maintainance CCTV £25 000 Cashless Catering: ? Library Software: ? Teacher Hand Holding: ? Access Control: ? Specialist Tanoy System: ? Movement of Equipment: ? Telephones: ? Photocopiers:? Legacy Equiptment:? AV and Media:? After Hours: ? Vandalism: ? Alrady the costs have doubled and we haven't even started ... The Technicians will not be under the School control so cannot take instruction from the staff... where as now we work for the School and Staff and assist them when ever needed... As my friends said when they renounced their Managed Service Contract.. "A school close to me has taken their ICT out of the managed service. They had a site manager working on site for the Managed Service Company. Any IT requests had to come in writting to him from the headteacher, they where then sent to the PFL's head office to see if was a chargable request. Once confirmation of charge or no charge was agreed the PFL scheduled their IT tech to do the job. If it was a chargable request the Head had to agree to the cost and fax a purchase order over to the PFL's head office, who them scheduled the job. Think 3 weeks to move or install printers. A two pence piece in a floppy drive was counted as vandalism and the drive replaced, even if the drive worked after the coin was removed. 10 minute job £65 charge. Replacing 15 in August soon mounts up I worked last night and this evening on the Open evening setting up the IT and AV for the School, finished at 8:30... Now because I work for the School I did this as part of my job (can leave early one or two days)... Yet under the BSF this would have been a chargeable service or not in their remit..

Yes I do

So basically the school will be paying double to support their existing system until 2009 when the "New" system will be installed.. Why are you being TUPEd if there is no new ICT Infrastructure to support ?

We must also not forget the impact that it will have on the small ICT Education Suppliers and Support Companies... They'll all be wiped out as the Big 4 take over the Education sector... As well as the impact it will have on the ICT Professional status of the UK as thousands of ICT Professionals are going to turned into Toner Drones and their skill set will be downgraded..... Basicaly the Education Sector is about to lose all their ICT Professionals... being replaced with low grade ICT Technicians..

No it's through My computer and thier home drive They all have Ranger on XP / Server 2003 Shadow yes, Offline No.. It comes back

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The eee has a 4 gb HDD ad the Stone has a 40 The eee is Unix and the Stone is XP The stone has bluetooth The stone has a touch screen The Stone is only just over £100 extra The Stone more RAM The idea of these in our schol is for senior staff to take them to meetings..

Hi Users delete files from their area… log off and when they log back on again the files have reappeared… any idea why this is happening and how to stop it ?

This will play right into the BSF's hands as one of their fear angles is "What happens if your network manager walks out" ..