kennysarmy Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Is this still the latest LTSB that I could download from VLSC? SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_English_MLF_X21-07421.ISO Thanks
Norphy Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 At the moment, yes. I think there's supposed to be a new release next year. And just to put this out there: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/ukplatforms/2018/06/11/say-no-to-long-term-servicing-channel-ltsc/ 1
Arthur Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Is this still the latest LTSB that I could download from VLSC? It is until the next week or so when the 1809-based LTSC version of Windows 10 Enterprise is released. Btw, your ISO is en-US. en-GB is English International in the dropdown: SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_Eng_Intl_MLF_X21-07479.iso I think there's supposed to be a new release next year. It's definitely this year. The next release after that will probably be 2021! Microsoft has already updated their evaluation website in preparation... www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise Edited September 28, 2018 by Arthur 2
kennysarmy Posted September 28, 2018 Author Posted September 28, 2018 What's the difference between these two? SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_Eng_Intl_MLF_X21-07479 and SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_English_MLF_X21-07421 - - - Updated - - - It is until next week when the 1809-based LTSC version of Windows 10 Enterprise is released. Btw, your ISO is en-US. en-GB is English International in the dropdown: SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_Eng_Intl_MLF_X21-07479.iso Thanks - cross posted.
Norphy Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 What's the difference between these two? SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_Eng_Intl_MLF_X21-07479 and SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_LTSB_2016_64BIT_English_MLF_X21-07421 - - - Updated - - - Language First one is "English Thanks - cross posted. Language - first one is "International English" (bloody arrogant yanks, the language is English, not American!) and the second is American English. 1
Koldov Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Language - first one is "International English" (bloody arrogant yanks, the language is English, not American!) and the second is American English. Just going to leave this here... 3
kennysarmy Posted September 28, 2018 Author Posted September 28, 2018 Just going to leave this here... [ATTACH=CONFIG]50376[/ATTACH] Very good!
Popular Post Koldov Posted September 28, 2018 Popular Post Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) At the moment, yes. I think there's supposed to be a new release next year. And just to put this out there: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/ukplatforms/2018/06/11/say-no-to-long-term-servicing-channel-ltsc/ Honestly it's 'horses for courses' isn't it...? Why try to shoe-horn something in that just doesn't fit? I'm not sure if that person is any sort of sysadmin (or maybe a super sysadmin where none of this is an issue), I can't help but feel he's just regurgitating the MS mantra. Yes, some of us might be using LTSB/C because we are used to doing things a certain way, but many others are just fed up with the attitude of MS to a small section of their consumer base (I think Education may be small relatively compared to home users or maybe Business), but considering there is an Education SKU maybe not - and in that case why not listen to Education customers? Possibly because a vast majority of Education customers want Candy Crush, X Box live etc....? I think not? So, ok he points to the fact you can remove a lot of the crud (why should we have to do this in the first place?). But here: in a nutshell, WaaS represents an increased frequency of change (given the bi-annual release cycle that is the new normal). Organisations do need to prepare for WaaS appropriately to ensure the best success He shoots himself in the foot, because for me as a lone tech, this puts me off. In another thread on here, I read the horror stories of what the updates break and also the 6-18 months of preperation and testing before deployment and how it means that most likely you aren't always on the latest release anyway, because you haven't tested it thoroughly or it breaks something vital. So, MS says that LTSB/C is for mission critical systems, where nothing should change.... Check! My teachers laptops are exactly that... I'm not going through all of his list point by point, but I went through 90% of it saying, "don't use that or don't need that", so why would I care? But for example: LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does – so LTSC 2016 does not support Intel chips beyond the ‘Kabylake’ generation. The chances of us having any sort of budget to make this an issue is laughable, our best machines are old i5's (and will be for a long, long while)... Windows Analytics Upgrade Readiness does not support LTSC What? No support for the modern Edge browser Don't use it... No support for Cortana Don't want it... No support for Windows Store Don't need it... In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is not supported for LTSC Who in place upgrades in a school/business/enterprise situation? After all the reading and a few attempts at crud removal, when I took the plunge this summer to go 10, I went LTSB. I tested it the day before on a teacher laptop and a student machine and it did 99% of what I wanted out of the box.... The whole site (admittedly a very small Junior school) up and running in a few days, with minimal teething problems... Edited September 28, 2018 by Koldov 8
Patrick Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Very good points above. When i upgrade my next school i'll be tempted to move the new LTSB release.
kennysarmy Posted September 28, 2018 Author Posted September 28, 2018 Honestly it's 'horses for courses' isn't it...? Why try to shoe-horn something in that just doesn't fit? I'm not sure if that person is any sort of sysadmin (or maybe a super sysadmin where none of this is an issue), I can't help but feel he's just regurgitating the MS mantra. Yes, some of us might be using LTSB/C because we are used to doing things a certain way, but many others are just fed up with the attitude of MS to a small section of their consumer base (I think Education may be small relatively compared to home users or maybe Business), but considering there is an Education SKU maybe not - and in that case why not listen to Education customers? Possibly because a vast majority of Education customers want Candy Crush, X Box live etc....? I think not? So, ok he points to the fact you can remove a lot of the crud (why should we have to do this in the first place?). But here: in a nutshell, WaaS represents an increased frequency of change (given the bi-annual release cycle that is the new normal). Organisations do need to prepare for WaaS appropriately to ensure the best success He shoots himself in the foot, because for me as a lone tech, this puts me off. In another thread on here, I read the horror stories of what the updates break and also the 6-18 months of preperation and testing before deployment and how it means that most likely you aren't always on the latest release anyway, because you haven't tested it thoroughly or it breaks something vital. So, MS says that LTSB/C is for mission critical systems, where nothing should change.... Check! My teachers laptops are exactly that... I'm not going through all of his list point by point, but I went through 90% of it saying, "don't use that or don't need that", so why would I care? But for example: LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does – so LTSC 2016 does not support Intel chips beyond the ‘Kabylake’ generation. The chances of us having any sort of budget to make this an issue is laughable, our best machines are old i5's (and will be for a long, long while)... Windows Analytics Upgrade Readiness does not support LTSC What? No support for the modern Edge browser Don't use it... No support for Cortana Don't want it... No support for Windows Store Don't need it... In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is not supported for LTSC Who in place upgrades in a school/business/enterprise situation? After all the reading and a few attempts at crud removal, when I took the plunge this summer to go 10, I went LTSB. I tested it the day before on a teacher laptop and a student machine and it did 99% of what I wanted out of the box.... The whole site (admittedly a very small Junior school) up and running in a few days, with minimal teething problems... Can we point Microsoft to your post? 3
Simcfc73 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Honestly it's 'horses for courses' isn't it...? Why try to shoe-horn something in that just doesn't fit? I'm not sure if that person is any sort of sysadmin (or maybe a super sysadmin where none of this is an issue), I can't help but feel he's just regurgitating the MS mantra. Yes, some of us might be using LTSB/C because we are used to doing things a certain way, but many others are just fed up with the attitude of MS to a small section of their consumer base (I think Education may be small relatively compared to home users or maybe Business), but considering there is an Education SKU maybe not - and in that case why not listen to Education customers? Possibly because a vast majority of Education customers want Candy Crush, X Box live etc....? I think not? So, ok he points to the fact you can remove a lot of the crud (why should we have to do this in the first place?). But here: in a nutshell, WaaS represents an increased frequency of change (given the bi-annual release cycle that is the new normal). Organisations do need to prepare for WaaS appropriately to ensure the best success He shoots himself in the foot, because for me as a lone tech, this puts me off. In another thread on here, I read the horror stories of what the updates break and also the 6-18 months of preperation and testing before deployment and how it means that most likely you aren't always on the latest release anyway, because you haven't tested it thoroughly or it breaks something vital. So, MS says that LTSB/C is for mission critical systems, where nothing should change.... Check! My teachers laptops are exactly that... I'm not going through all of his list point by point, but I went through 90% of it saying, "don't use that or don't need that", so why would I care? But for example: LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does – so LTSC 2016 does not support Intel chips beyond the ‘Kabylake’ generation. The chances of us having any sort of budget to make this an issue is laughable, our best machines are old i5's (and will be for a long, long while)... Windows Analytics Upgrade Readiness does not support LTSC What? No support for the modern Edge browser Don't use it... No support for Cortana Don't want it... No support for Windows Store Don't need it... In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is not supported for LTSC Who in place upgrades in a school/business/enterprise situation? After all the reading and a few attempts at crud removal, when I took the plunge this summer to go 10, I went LTSB. I tested it the day before on a teacher laptop and a student machine and it did 99% of what I wanted out of the box.... The whole site (admittedly a very small Junior school) up and running in a few days, with minimal teething problems... Agree 100% and was doing the same thing with the points he rasied. I’ve spoken to customers who held a misconception that the SAC version of Windows 10 prevented the permanent removal of certain standard applications that are pre-installed with Windows 10 (like the Xbox app etc.) ---- Did those same customers mention that have XBOX on a work machine is stupid!!!
Sheridan Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 I for one will be moving from Edu to LTSB 2019 next year - looking forward to ditching the crap that comes with the so called 'Education' version, which is 100% designed for 1:1 Home users. 1
Rob_D Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 We started out with LTSB but in the end wound up switching to Edu as (for us) it was more stable. It may have just been that Win10 was more mature by the point we swapped, but it seemed much easier to strip all the junk out of the Edu build than to try and get the some of the useful apps back into the LTSB version.
DrCheese Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Yeah that blog post made me laugh - None of the things on that list are things I care about . The silicon thing only becomes an issue in terms of support (i.e the old LTSB works fine on new silicon anyway) You can see MS slowly relenting because they've changed their support policy on the standard releases
Rob_D Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Yeah that blog post made me laugh - None of the things on that list are things I care about . The silicon thing only becomes an issue in terms of support (i.e the old LTSB works fine on new silicon anyway) You can see MS slowly relenting because they've changed their support policy on the standard releases The "won't support Office 365 beyond Jan 2020" made me sit up. I guess it depends exactly what "not supporting" means. As you say, the rest of it is largely a non-issue for schools.
KevinB Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 The "won't support Office 365 beyond Jan 2020" made me sit up. Yup. That could mean anything from "It's not supported, but it still works" through to "We purposely made it so that you can't do this."
kennysarmy Posted October 1, 2018 Author Posted October 1, 2018 So is there an actual release date for the next LTSB offering?
Arthur Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) So is there an actual release date for the next LTSB offering? 1809 is due to be released tomorrow. I read somewhere LTSC 2019 may not be available until later this month from VLSC. https://twitter.com/WZorNET/status/1045562797483065344 Edited October 1, 2018 by Arthur 1
Arthur Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) The evaluation ISOs for Windows 10 Enterprise v1809 can be download from here: en-GB [b]x64[/b]: https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/17763.1.180914-1434.rs5_release_CLIENTENTERPRISEEVAL_OEMRET_x64FRE_en-gb.iso [b]x86[/b]: https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/17763.1.180914-1434.rs5_release_CLIENTENTERPRISEEVAL_OEMRET_x86FRE_en-gb.iso en-US [b]x64[/b]: https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/17763.1.180914-1434.rs5_release_CLIENTENTERPRISEEVAL_OEMRET_x64FRE_en-us.iso [b]x86[/b]: https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/17763.1.180914-1434.rs5_release_CLIENTENTERPRISEEVAL_OEMRET_x86FRE_en-us.iso Edited October 1, 2018 by elsiegee40 2
Duke5A Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) @Arthur: You sure those are LTSC? I just installed the x64 en-GB version and it contains all the crap. No mention of LTSC anywhere. Edited October 1, 2018 by Duke5A
Arthur Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 You sure those are LTSC? I just installed the x64 en-GB version and it contains all the crap. No mention of LTSC anywhere. You might be right actually. Sorry about that. If I find the actual links I will update this thread.
Arthur Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 @Duke5A. @kennysarmy. If you have access to MSDN you can download LTSC 2019 now. https://twitter.com/WZorNET/status/1047236000911708160 2
kennysarmy Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 @Duke5A. @kennysarmy. If you have access to MSDN you can download LTSC 2019 now. https://twitter.com/WZorNET/status/1047236000911708160 Will it require any changes to my KMS Server?
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