SYNACK Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Oh wow that's an ugly device. I never said it was pretty but it is cheap, reasonably robust and not that bad ascetically IMO but I car far more for function than form anyway.
flyinghaggis Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Oh wow that's an ugly device. In my experience if you expect anything more than hideous design and sub-standard build quality from Acer you'll be disappointed I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Better to wait and see what Samsung/Asus bring out. The more I read about WindowsRT the less it appeals. The thing that did surprise me is that the Tegra3 chipsets were even slower that the Intel Atom range. I'd have expected them running a dedicated stripped down OS without any legacy baggage to be quicker but in most of the benchmarks they're around half the speed of Intel's latest atom chipset! Edited October 25, 2012 by flyinghaggis
SYNACK Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 In my experience if you expect anything more than hideous design and sub-standard build quality from Acer you'll be disappointed I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Better to wait and see what Samsung/Asus bring out. The more I read about WindowsRT the less it appeals. The thing that did surprise me is that the Tegra3 chipsets were even slower that the Intel Atom range. I'd have expected them running a dedicated stripped down OS without any legacy baggage to be quicker but in most of the benchmarks they're around half the speed of Intel's latest atom chipset! Agreed re Acer and although the current two work fine for us at the moment I would not like to put that to the test with a class set. ARM is actually quite slow at anything it is not specificly designed to do and has a much narrower set of instructions than x86. The intel stuff is generally going to have the raw power over it the whole time. ARM is very good efficiency wise as it is a 'flying gas can' type cpu that just has what it needs. It means that watt for watt it can equal or better the x86 stuff at the moment but you do need more of them. Where ARM excels at the moment is integration of discrete tasks, stuff like x264 decode, noise cancellation etc. are baked in so that certain tasks can be run in hardware like an ASIC or FPGA. This allows those tasks to run quickly with low power use but if you go outside that window of prehardcoded stuff you're stuffed like Apple and its Siri issues thanks to lack of noise cancellation on earlier phones. A beefier CPU could have easily done it in software but at the expense of power consumption.
Arthur Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 The thing that did surprise me is that the Tegra 3 chipsets were even slower that the Intel Atom range. As Synack said, you shouldn't be surprised. A six year old 1.6 GHz Intel Core Solo will be faster than a 1.5 GHz quad-core Tegra 3 tablet for any apps not specially designed for the SoC!
Max_Power Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 When does the Surface with windows 8 get released cant find a specific date? Not interested in the RT version as being able to utilise applications we already have is an important aspect of the trial and one which the RT apparently cant fulfil.
Arthur Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 When does the Surface with windows 8 get released can't find a specific date? Surface Pro will be released sometime before 26th January 2013. Microsoft have said it will follow approximately three months after the launch of Windows 8. 1
CyberNerd Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Capita say: With regards to the query about Windows 8 RT - Any software that needs to be run on Windows 8 RT have to be separate applications written for the Windows 8 RT Operating System and have to be approved by Microsoft and placed in the Windows Store. As such, we have no plans to support Windows 8 RT for the SIMS.net system.
jamesfed Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Capita say: IIRC they did something for the iPad - I'm sure if they see enough schools jump onto Windows 8 they will come up with something (at a cost )
gshaw Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 I want a Pro but if it's going to be the best part of £1000 I'll stick with a laptop... this touchscreen revolution seems to be a good excuse to ramp prices (and profit margins) right back up after PCs \ laptops had pretty much hit the bottom line price-wise
Theblacksheep Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Capita say: Capita are wrong again, apps can be loaded outside of the store and do not need to be approved by Microsoft.
jamesfed Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Capita are wrong again, apps can be loaded outside of the store and do not need to be approved by Microsoft. Sorry but they mention Windows RT in their statement - they are correct you CANT install anything in the normal way on RT (you need to use the store). On Windows 8 pro systems you can install SIMS as normal.
localzuk Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Capita are wrong again, apps can be loaded outside of the store and do not need to be approved by Microsoft. Only if you 'sideload' them, which isn't easy to do.
Theblacksheep Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Sorry but they mention Windows RT in their statement - they are correct you CANT install anything in the normal way on RT (you need to use the store). You can sideload them as @localzuk said and SCCM 2012 SP1 can install them too. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2012/04/25/deploying-metro-style-apps-to-businesses.aspx When it comes to building a Metro style app for business users.....You have two options available: *Make the app available through the Windows Store, which means the app must adhere to the same certification policies and process required for all apps in the Store *Build the app internally or sell it directly to the enterprise, which means IT admins must distribute the app directly to end-users within the enterprise, without involving the Store. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/04/19/managing-quot-byo-quot-pcs-in-the-enterprise-including-woa.aspx http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Edge/EdgeShow-40-Windows-8-support-in-SCCM-2012-SP1 SCCM 2012 SP1 can do both windows store apps and appx files, as well as iOS ipa, iOS store application, google play application and android apk files! Edited October 29, 2012 by Theblacksheep 1
localzuk Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 You can sideload them as @localzuk said and SCCM 2012 SP1 can install them too. Deploying Metro style apps to businesses - Windows Store for developers - Site Home - MSDN Blogs When it comes to building a Metro style app for business users.....You have two options available: *Make the app available through the Windows Store, which means the app must adhere to the same certification policies and process required for all apps in the Store *Build the app internally or sell it directly to the enterprise, which means IT admins must distribute the app directly to end-users within the enterprise, without involving the Store. Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA) - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs EdgeShow 40 - Windows 8 support in SCCM 2012 SP1 | Edge | Channel 9 SCCM 2012 SP1 can do both windows store apps and appx files, as well as iOS ipa, iOS store application, google play application and android apk files! Only problem with your explanation is that SCCM can't manage Windows RT devices as far as I can tell. Instead, you have to use 'InTune', Microsoft's cloud based management system.
HMCTech Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 Supplier emailed to say it has arrived and they are posting it to me for the morning. Hopefully it will be unopened.
Arthur Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY4OLUSxlQ&hd=1 1
Arthur Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Blatant product placement on NCIS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AOwL5FRMR0&hd=1
nathan Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Been testing the Windows RT, can access shares like your normally would with in windows. You can print to networked printers just as you would in normal windows (although i've had a few issues with Konica Minolta printers that used a pop up to print. The pop up doesnt appear) 1
SYNACK Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Here is the image of the Surface skateboard, says something about its robustness
Arthur Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 The kickstand is hard to break too. http://i.imgur.com/ZQEfM.gif
flyinghaggis Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) In terms of the x86 based surface pro there's a lot of rumours floating about the internet suggesting the 90-day release delay might be so that they can equip it with intel's upcoming haswell chip rather than the current Ivy Bridge range. From what I've been reading it's literally suppoed to offer nearly a 20-30% improvement in performance whilst using around half the power of the current Ivy bridge tech. Graphics performance is also supposed to be double that of the existing HD4000 chipset. All sounds very promising for the Surface Pro and other Windows 8 tablets out next year Edited November 3, 2012 by flyinghaggis
SYNACK Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 In terms of the x86 based surface pro there's a lot of rumours floating about the internet suggesting the 90-day release delay might be so that they can equip it with intel's upcoming haswell chip rather than the current Ivy Bridge range. From what I've been reading it's literally suppoed to offer nearly a 20-30% improvement in performance whilst using around half the power of the current Ivy bridge tech. Graphics performance is also supposed to be double that of the existing HD4000 chipset. All sounds very promising for the Surface Pro and other Windows 8 tablets out next year Good call on the delay if it is for that but still ashame that after all these years its still a wintel hold being put on the cool new MS stuff.
Arthur Posted November 8, 2012 Posted November 8, 2012 The Surface Pro should cost approx. £576.93 (64GB) and £644.09 (128GB) ex. VAT if the prices on Notebook.de are anything to go by.
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