Schools URL

[Edu-IT]

Hi,

 

Not sure where this is best posted, so I'll try here.

 

Who owns the schools domain? We're changing ISP and I see it pointles to pay hundreds of pounds for DNS management if we can do this ourselves. Is it possible for a school to take over their domain and source their own DNS services?

 

If so, what's he process? Do you have to do it throug the RBC or direct with Nominet?

 

Thanks in advance for any help!

[FN-GM]

is it just a .co.uk type one or.sch.uk?

[glennda]

Look it up here It will tell you who you domain is registered to (it will only work for .uk domains). You can then request this to be transferred.

[sparkeh]

If its .sch.uk then its owned by the school.

I see it pointles to pay hundreds of pounds for DNS management

Hundreds for DNS hosting? £45 for us.

[Edu-IT]

If its .sch.uk then its owned by the school.

 

Hundreds for DNS hosting? £45 for us.

Maybe a slight exaggeration but when you add all the other services to it, it's amounting to hundreds!

 

It is a .sch.uk domain, yes.

 

The registrar is listed as:

 

Registrar:

East Midlands Broadband Consortium [Tag = EMBC]

URL: http://www.embc.org.uk

Edited July 9, 2012 by Edu-IT

[glennda]

Find a new registrar and then get EMBC to transfer the domain to it My Personal stuff is with Carl @ CSNewMedia - he should be able to host it for you.

[Edu-IT]

I don't need hosting, as our website is hosted by somebody else. All I need is access to the DNS and for that I'll use PointDNS.

[jamesfed]

Just as a pointer because people have asked before if you ever have any issues moving your DNS host Nominet can forcefully change the tags

 

Although it maybe registered with your RBC it is your domain name to do with as you wish as well.

[GrumbleDook]

To be honest, there is no need to say 'forcefully' or 'seize' as this give the wrong impression about how RBCs and LAs work. I know some non-RBC providers have used this language on occasion too and it is overly aggressive. Tags for domains get transferred betweens registrars across the globe every minute ... it is a simple process and moving DNS hosting really is not a big hassle. Making sure you have access to be able to make further updates, closing down the old DNS entries and making sure you really know what you are doing are the most important things.

[GrumbleDook]

I don't need hosting, as our website is hosted by somebody else. All I need is access to the DNS and for that I'll use PointDNS.

 

When people say 'hosting' with regards to DNS they tend to mean the DNS hosting rather than website hosting. This is to differentiate between DNS resolution and where you host the DNS records for your domain(s). When you move the tag you need to specify the Registrar you are moving to ... who may or may not be your DNS host or your ISP. Most people try to keep the ISP, Registrar and DNS host all together for schools as it keeps it simple.

[jamesfed]

To be honest, there is no need to say 'forcefully' or 'seize' as this give the wrong impression about how RBCs and LAs work. I know some non-RBC providers have used this language on occasion too and it is overly aggressive. Tags for domains get transferred betweens registrars across the globe every minute ... it is a simple process and moving DNS hosting really is not a big hassle. Making sure you have access to be able to make further updates, closing down the old DNS entries and making sure you really know what you are doing are the most important things.

 

Sorry I didn't mean to cause any offense - just that on occasion I have heard of 'unwilling' RBCs who have needed a decent nudge - not to say that this is the rule but the exception instead.

[Edu-IT]

When people say 'hosting' with regards to DNS they tend to mean the DNS hosting rather than website hosting. This is to differentiate between DNS resolution and where you host the DNS records for your domain(s). When you move the tag you need to specify the Registrar you are moving to ... who may or may not be your DNS host or your ISP. Most people try to keep the ISP, Registrar and DNS host all together for schools as it keeps it simple.

Sure, but, I see no point in paying money to manage the DNS hosting for our domain when I am quite happy to us a free service which is just as reliable.

[SimpleSi]

I see no point in paying money to manage the DNS hosting for our domain

as GD said the point is

Most people try to keep the ISP, Registrar and DNS host all together for schools as it keeps it simple.

 

 

Si

[zag]

Try to move away from your local authority owning it.

 

We registered a new domain name when we became an academy, it costs about £12 a year and I have full access to changing DNS records via the web in a matter of hours.

[plexer]

Try to move away from your local authority owning it.

 

We registered a new domain name when we became an academy, it costs about £12 a year and I have full access to changing DNS records via the web in a matter of hours.

 

Owning what? the .sch.uk allready belongs to the relevant school anyway.

 

The terms force and seize have been used before where RBC or LEA's either wouldn't release the domain or wanted ridiculous sums of money to do so which used to be the case in Norfolk.

 

Ben

[john]

Sure, but, I see no point in paying money to manage the DNS hosting for our domain when I am quite happy to us a free service which is just as reliable.

 

Given the importance of the domain for your school I would be relucatnat to use a free service given the concequences should your DNS go down. I find the £10 a year to CSNM for my DNS hosting and then having someone to shout at should it be needed is money well spent

 

As for the terms force / seize agree with others, some RBCs and LAs don't want to let go so you have to use the sledgehammer to get them, there shouldn't be any hassle letting you take over your own domain as at the end of the day it is yours.

[CSNM-Carl]

Given the importance of the domain for your school I would be relucatnat to use a free service given the concequences should your DNS go down. I find the £10 a year to CSNM for my DNS hosting and then having someone to shout at should it be needed is money well spent

 

As for the terms force / seize agree with others, some RBCs and LAs don't want to let go so you have to use the sledgehammer to get them, there shouldn't be any hassle letting you take over your own domain as at the end of the day it is yours.

 

We actually don't charge for DNS management any-more, it's included as standard free of charge with any domains registered with us/under our IPS Tag

[john]

We actually don't charge for DNS management any-more, it's included as standard free of charge with any domains registered with us/under our IPS Tag

 

Even better value Bar I don't pay for the name from the LA assume if I changed the tag to you I would have to pay a yearly .uk fee as I guess nominet charge you one for the .area.sch.uk one?

[CSNM-Carl]

Even better value Bar I don't pay for the name from the LA assume if I changed the tag to you I would have to pay a yearly .uk fee as I guess nominet charge you one for the .area.sch.uk one?

 

No, nothing to pay at all for .sch.uk domain as we don't pay anything for them.

[GrumbleDook]

Keeping Registrar and DNS host together is a very good plan ... I've been in the situation of having ISP, Registrar and DNS Host in different places ... it can lead to things being interesting.

[john]

No, nothing to pay at all for .sch.uk domain as we don't pay anything for them.

 

Ooooh that is good to know So if we change the tag to you then its free then for it

[CSNM-Carl]

Ooooh that is good to know So if we change the tag to you then its free then for it

 

Yes, believe it or not!

[SchoolsBroadband]

Just as a pointer because people have asked before if you ever have any issues moving your DNS host Nominet can forcefully change the tags

 

Although it maybe registered with your RBC it is your domain name to do with as you wish as well.

 

Although there has often been quite a bit of RBC / LA bashing, we've found most of them to be quite helpful and released the TAG to us no problem what so ever. EMBC have always responded and done this as per the customers request so I don't think you'll have a problem moving from EMBC to a.n.other provider.