teejay Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 How does everyone else feel about this going ahead? I think they've made a massive mistake going there and I certainly won't be watching it.
laserblazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I won't watch it because it's not on free to view but I probably wouldn't even if it was on BBC. I guess the millions they will lose if they cancel has something to do with it. If they were to send out a strong message that they won't go back next year, that might have more effect. There are plenty of other venues.
pcstru Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 F1 continues to strengthen their central message - "all we care about is the money".
timbo343 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I think it might be scrapped for newer circuits that are planned for next year. They dont need all this uncertainty .
MattHarwood Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Personally, anyone that watches / partakes in the race will have lost all moral and ethical credibility with me. One country starts killing its citizens, we link up and help defeat Gaddafi. Another country, we invite the leader to tea with the Queen and give them this spectacle. I can't take the hypocrisy much longer.
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Bahrain is going to be a difficult one because so much of F1 is finances from therein - there's a chunky stake in McLaren owned there for instance. It's always going to be about money but some things you just have to ignore. I do think it's a mistake that it's gotten this far but I don't believe anyone there is in any real danger. Amnesty International are the Daily Mail of charity groups and would have the British Grand Prix stopped if they saw 3 hooded youths hanging around outside the village store in Silverstone as a result anything they say must be taken with a pinch of salt. All teams are there with no incidents except the wrong time wrong place thing with a few Force India guys and hope that's the way it stays. Would be nice if money wasn't such a deciding factor so they can take the grand prix somewhere else. I typed "somewhere more deserving" however that's rather judgmental, I do firmly believe that sport can bring people together and help such problems, but it's always such a roll of the dice when what's at stake are lives.
PICNIC Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Reminds me of this from last year http://www.edugeek.net/forums/jokes-interweb-things/71465-starting-grid-bahrain-gp.html#post637399 Its always going to be about money as it costs so much to compete.
pcstru Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Amnesty International are the Daily Mail of charity groups and would have the British Grand Prix stopped if they saw 3 hooded youths hanging around outside the village store in Silverstone as a result anything they say must be taken with a pinch of salt. And your evidence to back up that incredible statement is ...? 1
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Erm, I can't really provide any - just like you can't provide evidence that the Daily Mail is a bile spewing snotrag other than what you see for yourself. It's just common knowledge; these are the same people that have tried sanctions against China, Thaiwan and a few other countries regarding human rights. They're just a *little* bit over the top with it, we all respect what we should have as far as human beings are concerned, and AI are somewhat over and above that. It's not sensationalist or incredible, it's just an opinion shared by a fair few! 1
Sirbendy Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I have a friend there working for the Red Bull team (Her dad is something high up in it), doing the timings...fingers crossed it goes off without problems..
Disease Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Personally, anyone that watches / partakes in the race will have lost all moral and ethical credibility with me. One country starts killing its citizens, we link up and help defeat Gaddafi. Another country, we invite the leader to tea with the Queen and give them this spectacle. I can't take the hypocrisy much longer. What a load of rubbish, I for one will be watching it if it goes ahead, it's not my fault their country is stuck in hundreds of years of petty factional bickering. Even if the GP or any other sport was removed from their it won't stop their problems, if the Shiite faction ruled then the sunni would be uprising, it's the same across the Middle East. Besides it's not as if the human rights abuses are on par with say Libya and Syria. Anyway, enough for me 1
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 As said, perhaps the F1 could start to help bridge those gaps and actually do some good. It's a very naive view I know, but it's still probably cheaper to run an F1 weekend there then it is to get peace treaties sorted, armies deployed etc.
mthomas08 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Personally, anyone that watches / partakes in the race will have lost all moral and ethical credibility with me. So lets take the moral high ground compared to countries that are run by dictators, couldnt care less about poor people even suffering of their own people? I am watching it, I am an F1 fan and if that makes me evil well. If you want to take the moral high ground suggest you dont watch F1 in any country minus EU races. A good example would be China - we all know how bad this country is run compared to other nations.
pcstru Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Erm, I can't really provide any - just like you can't provide evidence that the Daily Mail is a bile spewing snotrag other than what you see for yourself. It's just common knowledge; these are the same people that have tried sanctions against China, Thaiwan and a few other countries regarding human rights. You what? Amnesty has tried sanctions against China? That's hilarious. Sanctions are the preserve of countries and economic trading blocks, not charitable organisations like Amnesty International. They might recomend and support sanctions but they are hardly capable themselves of implementing any. As for evidence that the Daily Mail indulges in sensationalism, lies and even stoops to theft, there is plenty of evidence that the Mail regularly makes out of court settlements to avoid the limelight when it is caught. Infact so well known is the Mail for inaccurate and sensationalist reporting that there is at least one website dedicated to monitoring it. I guess though that that's not evidence that you will give any credence to. Amnesty tend to deal with standards of evidence which will satisfy local and international courts. They don't always get it right but comparing them to the Daily Mail is rhetoric that indicates gross ignorance. Still, your choice. They're just a *little* bit over the top with it, we all respect what we should have as far as human beings are concerned, and AI are somewhat over and above that. It's not sensationalist or incredible, it's just an opinion shared by a fair few! It is quite obvious that 'we' do not all respect what we should have as far as human beings are concerned. That's what makes the likes of AI necessary and generally a force for good. To compare them with the Daily Mail is frankly sickening.
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Never mind, if you don't agree, then I'm sure you can enjoy the race otherwise
Theblacksheep Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) It's not just what is going on out there, the various state murders and human rights abuses, its the fact our police have been supporting and training the regime. It's just common knowledge; these are the same people that have tried sanctions against China, Thaiwan and a few other countries regarding human rights. It's not sensationalist or incredible, it's just an opinion shared by a fair few! This statement is just laughable and factually incorrect in so many ways. Edited April 20, 2012 by Theblacksheep
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Perhaps sanctions wasn't the right word, I'm not a political person (and do my best to avoid such topics). Either way, I'm talking as an F1 fan and not a fan of certain groups of people, politics, religions or regimes. It's always going to be a touchy subject re AI, for instance it's amazing how many people still support Greenpeace. Not much difference there. Don't take anything as "I agree with what they're doing" or "I like what happens in Bahrain". Most of us wouldn't care less about what happens in China where apparently far worse things often happen. Re comparison to Daily Mail, no it's nothing harsh, I wasn't referring to anything they may have hidden or anything because frankly I don't care. They're just muppets to be ignored. I meant their ability to exaggurate things enough to make you want to punch them. I can't argue too much about it because I don't know enough about it, nor care enough. I'll admit that much Edited April 20, 2012 by synaesthesia
mthomas08 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Never mind, if you don't agree, then I'm sure you can enjoy the race otherwise This is how I feel, there will always be different views on this, like my view being whats the point in being moral when human rights is being completely ignored and abused by governments in some countries yet everyone cares about Bahrain. You only have to think about the moment when JB and crew had to avoid kidnappers at Brazil - if safety cant be assured in a country thats been a part of F1 for a life time why argue about Bahrain. 1
Earthling Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The most accurate decription I ever heard of F1 was 'A 200mph catwalk'.
synaesthesia Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The models on show are damned slight better looking than anything on a normal catwalk though! And they sound better, and turn off when you've finished them with.
Earthling Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 and turn off when you've finished them with. That's the only real benefit. I mean 'difference'. No, on second thoughts, I mean benefit. 1
teejay Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 The models on show are damned slight better looking than anything on a normal catwalk though! And they sound better, and turn off when you've finished them with. Turning them on is quite difficult though, you can't do it yourself, you have to get someone with a big long pole to do it from behind. 1
PICNIC Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Turning them on is quite difficult though, you can't do it yourself, you have to get someone with a big long pole to do it from behind. Good job we are all adults here or that could sound rude
teejay Posted April 20, 2012 Author Posted April 20, 2012 Good job we are all adults here or that could sound rude [/quote No idea what you mean....
Earthling Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Turning them on is quite difficult though, you can't do it yourself, you have to get someone with a big long pole to do it from behind. I always found the promise of a couple of barley wines and a fish supper was enough. Ohhhh..........you mean the cars. My mistake.
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