SPM Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Look at the reviews mate, they are very nearly universally positive, not to mention the fact that carriers publically admitted that out of all the phones they sell, the Windows Phone's have the lowest return rate. Marketing is killing the phone nothing else, I've yet to meet anyone who has said "I don't like it". It's usually "I'd get it if it had this app" and with Nokia around the corner it's on it's way up. Holds the record for the fastest 0-10,000 apps. Also, it isn't Windows Phone interface, it's the Metro UI interface that Microsoft have been designing for a while now. The problem with Windows Phone is that customers don't like it. You can buy good reviews, but paying customers are more difficult to please.
CyberNerd Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 The problem with Windows Phone is that customers don't like it. You can buy good reviews, but paying customers are more difficult to please. Well, we have a student who has one and loves it. We debated it Friday lunchtime. Apparently its unique selling point that makes comparative phones on the market 'utter rubbish' is that it can link your xbox avatar with your telephone avatar - so if you change your xbox avatar it also changes on your phone. Previously I was guided by the utterly abysmal sales of windows phones, but after this conversation I can totally understand the hype!. I'll be taking a closer interest in this fantastic new technology!
Arthur Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 The problem with Windows Phone is that customers don't like it. Customers don't like Windows Phone, yet its market share is increasing. That makes sense! Windows Phone is growing in Europe, particularly in Britain and Italy, with shares hitting 5.9 percent and 13.9 percent, respectively, up from just 2.2 percent and 2.8 percent a year ago. Sunnebo explained: “It has been far slower than Microsoft would have liked, but Windows Phone is now starting to gain respectable shares in a number of key European countries. (Source)
Roberto Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 The problem with Windows Phone is that customers don't like it. *citation needed* You can buy good reviews, If you're implying that happened, then again *citation needed*. but paying customers are more difficult to please. I've not met many people who have a Windows phone, but all of the ones I have met have been pleased with it. Including a few students.
CyberNerd Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Customers don't like Windows Phone, yet its market share is increasing. That makes sense! Its minimal - in the time it's taken MS to get a couple of percentage points in the global smartphone sales, Android jumped up from circa 50% to 70% *citation needed* I think its fair to say that all large companies pay for reviews in some form or another, difficult to provide citation for common knowledge. Perhaps you could provide one to say it never happens. I've not met many people who have a Windows phone, but all of the ones I have met have been pleased with it. Including a few students. Indeed. Same with WP7. I think the avatar thing really does it for me though. Having to hack its registry just to enable USB storage did put me off a tad though.
Arthur Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 in the time it's taken MS to get a couple of percentage points in the global smartphone sales, Android jumped up from circa 50% to 70% With Android and iOS having a combined global market share of 92% what chance do BB10, Firefox OS and Ubuntu for Phones have considering how long it has taken Windows Phone to get established? If these OSs can only manage to get a tiny percentage of the market are they going to be deemed failures too? Also, if Samsung is the only company who can make a profit selling Android devices (largely down to how much they spend on advertising), what is that going to do to Android in the long term? http://i.imgur.com/6i6Dsx4.png
Roberto Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 I think its fair to say that all large companies pay for reviews in some form or another, difficult to provide citation for common knowledge. Perhaps you could provide one to say it never happens. Well no, perhaps I couldn't. If someone asserts (well implied here, to be fair) something then it's reasonable to ask them to defend their assertion/implication: Evidence of Microsoft paying a "reputable" publication for a good review.
Little-Miss Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Windows 8 = BURN IT WITH FIRE! Oh sorry, were we being all serious and stuff?! 1
CyberNerd Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Well no, perhaps I couldn't. If someone asserts (well implied here, to be fair) something then it's reasonable to ask them to defend their assertion/implication: Evidence of Microsoft paying a "reputable" publication for a good review. start here: Let me google that for you
Geoff Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Just obilterated Win8 on my new work Laptop and put Mint 12w/XFCE on it. Working flawlessly.
Little-Miss Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 I imagine it works beautifully on a tablet, but i just cant use it on a laptop...its just not intuitive! 1
SYNACK Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 w8 is junk to manage so far but give it management tools and it will probably be like 7, everyone praising it for features that were in the prior version but views were swayed long before they even used it by the media. A slight roll back of metro, 60% size when in desktop mode and proper management will probably do it. They just can't do it yet as they have to try and make as much out of the current version as they can before they are ready for the next one.
Roberto Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 start here: Let me google that for you OK First of all, I know how to use Google so your passive-aggressive link game isn't welcome. The issue is that when someone makes a claim, it is up to them to defend it, not to shift the burden of proof, which is what you're trying to do here on someone else's behalf. I trust that clarifies my position on why I'm not interested in searching for proof myself for you. Secondly, did you actually *look* at those links or did you just rush off to post the LMGTFY link here while feeling oh so clever? I've checked the first 3 pages and there's nothing solid there about buying reviews that I can see... just a lot of rumour and innuendo from sites likely to be biased against Microsoft (and thereby perhaps more prepared to print and believe the worse). Now while we'd all be fools to believe the sort of "astroturfing" discussed in some of those articles does not go on, it's hardly what I asked for is it? Please don't waste my time. If you want to have a reasonable debate then have one. If you want to post LMGTFY links because you think that makes some kind of point then 4chan is down the hall and to your left.
busby Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Install classic shell to give you your start menu back, i have 2 pcs with windows 8 in a domain using classic shell and everything "seams" fine up to now
sted Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Install classic shell to give you your start menu back, i have 2 pcs with windows 8 in a domain using classic shell and everything "seams" fine up to now then you may as well run win7
SYNACK Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 then you may as well run win7 8 is more efficient with ram and network, it has smb3 way better file management/copy etc. Much faster boot and logon thanks to hybernated sessions. Integrated av, better self repair for file systems etc.
busby Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 then you may as well run win7 I see your point but it gives the user best of both worlds.
Steve21 Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 I did a bad thing! Thanks for ordering Windows 8 Discounted price too tempting, Even if I don't install it for another 6 months until there's more reason for it, I know I'll do it one day once Vista annoys me enough Steve
LickOfPaint Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I imagine it works beautifully on a tablet, but i just cant use it on a laptop...its just not intuitive! And this is why I uninstalled it after my girlfriend installed it on my laptop!!
SYNACK Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Looks like another vista on our hands Exactly, can be really decent if people give it a chance but most people won't give it the time of day and will wait for 9 as they made up their minds from the screenshots and a couple of days worth of use. There is some great stuff in there and the main drawbacks are the current lack of manageability for Metro.
Little-Miss Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 What @SYNACK said. Don't get me wrong, there are some good little touches in 8. But I just feel they've tried too hard to squish a tablet and PC OS into one.
Gatt Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I've gone back to Windows 8 and I have to say, each time I use it I find it not as bad as the last time, The only hangups I have are: The start screen: I kinda like it, but do miss the old start menu. Major Pain In The A** to install the RSAT tools - you have to download the en-US language pack first! .NET 3.5 is a pain to install as you need to have the DVD to hand to get it to install (Why MS?!) Can't seem to manage Hyper-V 2008 R2 hosts from Windows 8 Other than that I find it just as good as Windows 7 in most respects o day to day use, and the x64 version is much better with better driver support (my AverTV Voler Green HD USB TV Tuner works under x64 Windows 8, but not x64 Windows 7!) I haven't done a proper benchmark, but the performance seems on par to that of Windows 7 if a tad better.
EduTech Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I will say it again I've been running Windows 8 now for a fair few months and even on a daily basis for work and I don't have a single issue with how it works on my laptop which has no touch screen... give it time, get used to how the new OS operates and you'll see it actually isn't that much different. If you glued yourself to using the start menu and crawling through it for your applications then be prepared to find it might not be as good as before, but why use a mouse when you have the power of search at your finger tips that is clean and streamlined! I don't have a bad thing to say about it to be honest, and no that's without the Microsoft Cap On! ;-) LOL James.
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