laserblazer Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 I couldn't see this posted anywhere else but apologoes if it has. I've just been forwarded this HSE - Services - Education ? Information sources / Guidance - Laptop computer charging trolleys safety alert I've only skimmed it but it looks like interesting reading. 4
Edu-IT Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 Plus staff remove the cable from the Trolley rather than the socket so reducing the risk. How does that work?
Fatmas Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 It's only used by our techs but we remove the lead direct from the trolley. We do tend to turn the power switch to off before pulling it out mind! Interesting read though, cheers
TechSupp Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 In the advice it says we should use "blue coloured euro-connectors to BS EN 60309" anyone got a picture or link to what these are?
TechSupp Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 Well they are going to make it really portable to take around school!, Do I now have to have to change the wall sockets everywhere I need the trolley to be? If I do arn't I hoing to be Mr Popular!
BTCC_Fan Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 Well they are going to make it really portable to take around school!, Do I now have to have to change the wall sockets everywhere I need the trolley to be? If I do arn't I hoing to be Mr Popular! Only if it can't be assured that only adults will unplug it.
p858snake Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 How will a different plug archive anything?
p858snake Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 I've pulled plugs out in such a way that my finger/s end up hitting the tips and i've also done this on Microphone based plugs which are very similar if not the same expect for the number of pins.....
Andrew_C Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Changing to CEE form plugs isn't going to be simple, and will only provide a small increase in safety. As they are unfused, you would need either a local fused spur to feed it, or a spur wired back to the local breaker board. I will concede that you are slightly less likely to touch the pins of the plug, but:- The flaps bite hard. You can easily open the flap and stick things into the live socket. It is still easy to touch the pins. If you really need to change, I would suggest you look at the Powercon system from Neutrik. Fully sleeved in all configurations. This isn't something that your run-of-the-mill sparky will have come across! Would still need fusing in some way.
flowerpot78 Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Hi, if you read the document thoroughly, it states that you only need the 'comando' type adaptors if you don't have a CE marked trolley. We have a LapSafe® so luckily no worries, just checked their website and they have a thing on the HSE alert on there. Safety
Edu-IT Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Just looked on the LapCabby website and am amazed to see that they've changed the design of their trolleys, for the better! http://www.lapcabby.co.uk/20v.php Lovely cable management.
flowerpot78 Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Was'nt it a Monarch LapCabby that 'sparked' (no pun intended) the whole HSE thing in the first place?
Edu-IT Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Was'nt it a Monarch LapCabby that 'sparked' (no pun intended) the whole HSE thing in the first place? I think you're getting confused.
Haptic Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Was'nt it a Monarch LapCabby that 'sparked' (no pun intended) the whole HSE thing in the first place? yes it was!
flowerpot78 Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Teacher injured by electric shock at fault-row school (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus) Just found the article... I am not confused Edu-IT
Edu-IT Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Teacher injured by electric shock at fault-row school (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus) Just found the article... I am not confused Edu-IT It was a joke to try and get in a pun.
andrew_91090 Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 we've actuly banished staff from removing the chargers in our trolleys, saves us a job also our laptop trolleys are brand new, now the plugs are producing carbon monoxide and the manufacturer has turned around and said it our fault :-|
Haptic Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 we've actuly banished staff from removing the chargers in our trolleys, saves us a job also our laptop trolleys are brand new, now the plugs are producing carbon monoxide and the manufacturer has turned around and said it our fault :-| As a supplier of many different storage trolleys it would be great to here which Manufacturer you are reafering to as if its any of those that we deal with I will glady go and have words Fella:cool:
Edu-IT Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 What's the pricing like for the new LapCabby trolleys? Just wondering.
TechSupp Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Just had an email from monarch and the issue was to do with their older (up to dec 2008) LF range of trolleys (metal frames). They now state the new trolleys (the ones with big rubber handles) is safe as it meets all safety guidelines in agreement with the HSE. Bit happier now as all ours are the new type, still have to state not to be unplugged by a child, notice of any dangers, checks on cables, storage of unwound cable etc but thats OK, I can manage with that!
Edu-IT Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Just had an email from monarch and the issue was to do with their older (up to dec 2008) LF range of trolleys (metal frames). They now state the new trolleys (the ones with big rubber handles) is safe as it meets all safety guidelines in agreement with the HSE. Bit happier now as all ours are the new type, still have to state not to be unplugged by a child, notice of any dangers, checks on cables, storage of unwound cable etc but thats OK, I can manage with that! We've got the earlier ones you've described. So.. what are we to be aware of and what needs to be done to the trolleys?
andrew_91090 Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 As a supplier of many different storage trolleys it would be great to here which Manufacturer you are reafering to as if its any of those that we deal with I will glady go and have words Fella:cool: the manufacturer is Monarch
Haptic Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 the manufacturer is Monarch would you mind pm'ing me all your details and I will get onto this with this fella:cool:
Batman Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 I have investigated our trolleys (which are from Boss) today and have concluded that they are safe, for one simple reason: They are equipped with RCD plugs. The RCD isolates the pins of the plug the moment the power is disconnected, which makes the sort of incident described completely impossible. Don't bother with hunka chunka euro plugs, all you need is an RCD. In fact the RCD is probably better.
skunk Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 We are replacing our leads with hardwearing cable, so that when it is dragged accross the floor/rolled over by the trolley/kicked...etc it doesn't cause the casing to break and expose the wires. Also sticking warning signs all over the place about turning off before unplugging. Students do not touch the trolley's plug so no need for the Blue type plug. Whilst the plug can/should be an RCD type, this does not stop charge held in the trolley kicking back if the cable is defective. Daily visual checks for the poor science techs who use it as well.
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