SYNACK Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Oracle appears to have just purchased Sun for $7.4 billion, looks like all that Sun gear will have rock solid support for Oracle DBs and stuff and a more stable capital base to honor warrenties etc. Original Source: Slashdot | Oracle Buys Sun
matt40k Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Oracle appears to have just purchased Sun for $7.4 billion, looks like all that Sun gear will have rock solid support for Oracle DBs and stuff and a more stable capital base to honor warrenties etc. Original Source: Slashdot | Oracle Buys Sun Makes no sense. Wait... MySQL... oh dear.
localzuk Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Interesting acquisition! Should make for a different future for the company!
sparkeh Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Makes no sense. Wait... MySQL... oh dear. Right, where's my copy of Postgres for dummies gone?
localzuk Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 They already have several open source databases in their line-up. I'd see them targetting the database more myself. ie. Push high end customers to Oracle 11g and point those who are running smaller things to Mysql. Whatever happens, Mysql is an open source product, so if they mess it up, it can always be reborn.
sparkeh Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 To be serious though, I can't see mysql being canned, its a direct route to a lot of potential customers that would be silly to throw away.
matt40k Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 I can see it being renamed. silly to can it, I can see more limits like MSSQL has. Still, it'll just go like Redhat. Redhat and Centos. up2date\yum. New name, same thing.
pete Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Oh dear god. Do I really want a 7110 from a company owned by Oracle? *flashbacks of "no you can't patch $gaping_security_hole, Oracle depends on that to work"*
matt40k Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Oh dear god. Do I really want a 7110 from a company owned by Oracle? *flashbacks of "no you can't patch $gaping_security_hole, Oracle depends on that to work"* Different departments\sub-companies. The problems of SIMS .net doesn't stop you getting your TV license (ok bad example!)
pete Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Different departments\sub-companies. The problems of SIMS .net doesn't stop you getting your TV license (ok bad example!) I'm more worried that they'll ditch the hardware / sell it off to someone random who'll can the product line and leave me with no upgrade path.
matt40k Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 @Pete Be rather stupid if they did. Can't image them dropping the hardware. They have a large enough customer base to keep them ticking over. They're still making Sparc based machines, which excel with Oracle, I would expect more Sparc machines in the future. They seems to be expanding in the Education sector, which i'm glad about.
localzuk Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 The purchase is most likely to utilise the hardware and software portfolio to become a systems provider, and not simply a software or hardware seller. ie. they can provide a full system - hardware, OS, database software, management systems etc... in one go. One port of call, one support contract. To be honest, their offerings would look to be more complete than even IBM's at the moment. If they do it right anyway.
torledo Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 does this mean battle lines are drawn ? oracle-on-solaris-on-sparc64 vs DB2-on-AIX-on-power ?? ..FIGHT!!!! i wonder if some oracle customers running the db on ibm unix or hp unix hardware might be getting one or two 'incentives' to switch [or switch back] to sun hardware, can/will oracle remain neutral or will the mere fact of sun being oracle owned help to bump up their server and storage market share ? Or did oracle buy sun primarily for the software stack ? as in their previous acquisitions. I agree this makes more sense than ibm buying sun, but just wondering what oracle will want to do with the servrs and storage part of the business. it's new territory for them i would have thought. as for mysql, it's never really competed with oracle where it matters. But i'm sure oracle would like to chase the smb market where sql server seems to reign supreme.
localzuk Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 as for mysql, it's never really competed with oracle where it matters. But i'm sure oracle would like to chase the smb market where sql server seems to reign supreme. So those calls from Oracle I get here won't be a complete waste of my time in future? That'll be nice
torledo Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 The purchase is most likely to utilise the hardware and software portfolio to become a systems provider, and not simply a software or hardware seller. ie. they can provide a full system - hardware, OS, database software, management systems etc... in one go. One port of call, one support contract. To be honest, their offerings would look to be more complete than even IBM's at the moment. If they do it right anyway. that's actually a really good point. IBM do have the db [DB2], the hardware, unix OS [AIX], the business intelligence software [cognos]. What IBM lack is the LOB [line of business] applications such as ERP and CRM systems. Sun now has a fairly complete package, although as far as management systems go both HP and IBM have far more mature and complete products with tivoli and openview. But Sun/Oracle can tie up with the likes of symantec and other companies to offer comparable products.
featured_spectre Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 I like oracleSQL...although the fact that mySQL is opensource is a huge bonus for it! Perhaps they will do better support for mySQL or something? who knows!
matt40k Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 I think it'll help them survive. I mean back in the day every "big" business used to have Sun servers is SunOS on running Oracle, now, people are looking at Redhat or worse yet Windows. The problem is when big players like banks start looking at Windows, they don't tent to come back.
torledo Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 I think it'll help them survive. I mean back in the day every "big" business used to have Sun servers is SunOS on running Oracle, now, people are looking at Redhat or worse yet Windows. The problem is when big players like banks start looking at Windows, they don't tent to come back. most "big" businesses have a varied server estate. It's true that many companies that were predominantly sun/solaris on sparc have embraced the x86-64 revolution with OS like redhat and windows. Sun must have looked on in horror as their dominance in the late 90's began eroding away because of linux and windows 2000. Most workloads are perfectly suitable for either linux and windows, and many of these orgs who chose x86 instead of sun's sparc needed a level support so redhat and windows would have both been heavily popular choices, and taking market share off of sun as companies used x86 where previously they may have used smaller sparc servers. companies buying servers figured this out years ago, it's why sun had to respond with it's own x86 lineup of servers and subsequently it released it's own multicore sparc chip predicting the rise of high density, high performance low power draw servers. Sadly, while the Ultrasparc T1 T2 have done hundreds of millions in sales they are a niche, albeit a large niche. Unfortunately they had a bit of a stop-start strategy with x86 to begin with, so while converting existing sparc shops to the multicore ultrasparcs for certiain workloads has been very successful, i'm not sure how successful their products have been in gaining new customers. They've clearly clawed back some ground having been caught napping with the wrong strategies....but in the x86 market they are still a distant 4th. I still reckon they are selling predominantly into higher education. And where is opensolaris in relation to redhat and Windows ? Commercial solaris release on sparc was, and still is, mainly running big databases...and other demanding single threaded workloads. So expensive, multiprocessor systems are still used in abundance in big business and universities. And sun while no longer dominant has decent market share....sun's problem in this regard has been ibm and to a lesser extent hp. Basically, sun have been doing a half-decent job of reinventing themselves with recent products. They've had to battle uphill against upstarts like Dell in the server market, and now have a good intel server lineup. they look to want to give netapp and emc a run in the storage market with their opensolaris/zfs based products, and having watched while ibm came from nowhere to usurp them from the top of the unix server market this deal now gives them extra weight when looking to sell more big unix iron....they may even see some increase in low-end server sales if oracle get aggressive with selling oracle or MySQL powered applications to smaller businesses. I'm less convinced the latter is going to take off anytime soon....sun/oracle types may want to wax lyrical about java, but microsoft and partner ISV's know how to sell to this market better than anyone. Sun already shown what's capable with opensolaris with the impressive new storage products. Oracle, if they are smart will harness the flexibiltiy and power of opensolaris for some server solutions for smb's.
linescanner Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Guys, does this make me an Oracle partner now ? Seriously though, it is too early to speculate on what will happen. The best place to get the info from is Oracle and Sun or www.sun.com/oracle I think that in the long term this is going to be good for the Sun portfolio and all of the cool and funky stuff will prosper under new management. However, we shall have to wait and see. Anyone for Oracle Rays ?
matt40k Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 does this make me an Oracle partner now ? Makes you look more tasty that's for sure. If I order anything does it come with free Sun MicroSystem shares?
linescanner Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 Makes you look more tasty that's for sure. If I order anything does it come with free Sun MicroSystem shares? Wish I had bought a load when they were £2.50 and a pickled egg.
matt40k Posted April 21, 2009 Posted April 21, 2009 I bl00dy said to one of the teachers to buy them, pre-SUN selling AMD servers. Wonder if he'll cut me in? Hahaha.... still in that dream world
Sandman Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 This is a pretty big deal for Oracle though. This should have a noticeable impact on the virtualization industry. Sun is in the final stages of developing a virtualization portfolio, "the xVM family". Oracle announced development of its own virtual infrastructure in late 2007. With this deal Oracle gets the entire Sun virtualization portfolio making the acquisition key for Oracle as it is now is in a position to become a dangerous competitor for VMware!
torledo Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 With this deal Oracle gets the entire Sun virtualization portfolio making the acquisition key for Oracle as it is now is in a position to become a dangerous competitor for VMware! really ? how do you work that one out ? Why should sun being owned by oracle make sun's virtualization any more or less of a competitor against vmware, microsoft or citrix.
matt40k Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 really ? how do you work that one out ? Why should sun being owned by oracle make sun's virtualization any more or less of a competitor against vmware, microsoft or citrix. More developers.
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