Copilot+ Computers, Don't worry about it, you don't need or want it.

[chazzy2501]

Just an FYI really for those who suffer from FOMO.  I have had 2 Copilot+ PCs recently an ARM laptop and a Ryzen AI 330 Desktop..

 

The built in Windows features are rubbish, the image generation in paint still requires online servers, the AI just streamlines something... The offline translation for live captions only works in US English is slow and misses (at english) and is worse at conversion (compared to online google)

 

No one wants recall.

 

Enhanced video / audio calling, is the same (now rebranded) tech that has been in systems for over a decade.

 

On the ARM laptop the TOPS can be used with local, text only LLMs (currently) that are under 8GB and that is it. (no faster than using the onboard graphics or CPU but it uses less power) The x86 TOPS of the Ryzen AI is not supported by anything, so FU I guess. (LLMs will use CPU or GPU)

 

Just in case anyone here had FOMO or thought that maybe the extra £50 for the copilot+ stuff would be neat.... it is not, it is garbage, don't worry about it.

 

EDIT2: Also the Ryzen AI 330 has the same performance as a single channel slow DDR4 RAM, 10th Gen intel i3 from 2019 despite running better DDR5 Dual channel RAM. (Probably has better graphics though)

 

   

Edited June 3 by chazzy2501
edit to add cpu disaster

[JazzFlute]

19 hours ago, chazzy2501 said:

Just an FYI really for those who suffer from FOMO.  I have had 2 Copilot+ PCs recently an ARM laptop and a Ryzen AI 330 Desktop..

 

The built in Windows features are rubbish, the image generation in paint still requires online servers, the AI just streamlines something... The offline translation for live captions only works in US English is slow and misses (at english) and is worse at conversion (compared to online google)

 

No one wants recall.

 

Enhanced video / audio calling, is the same (now rebranded) tech that has been in systems for over a decade.

 

On the ARM laptop the TOPS can be used with local, text only LLMs (currently) that are under 8GB and that is it. (no faster than using the onboard graphics or CPU but it uses less power) The x86 TOPS of the Ryzen AI is not supported by anything, so FU I guess. (LLMs will use CPU or GPU)

 

Just in case anyone here had FOMO or thought that maybe the extra £50 for the copilot+ stuff would be neat.... it is not, it is garbage, don't worry about it.

 

EDIT2: Also the Ryzen AI 330 has the same performance as a single channel slow DDR4 RAM, 10th Gen intel i3 from 2019 despite running better DDR5 Dual channel RAM. (Probably has better graphics though)

 

   

Agree with this as bought 2 Copilot Laptops approx. £700 inc VAT and apart from an AI logo that glows on the touchpad when you use Copilot and the fan kicking in loudly then its just a advertising gimmick. Didn't really expect much extra but very underwhelmed 

[LeMarchand]

MS really, really, want you to think otherwise:

 

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One hour. Two hosts. A Surface bigger than a person.

 

In the next Microsoft Discovery Hour, we'll show why AI adoption doesn't start in the cloud — it starts on the device sitting on your desk.

 

Charlotte Reimann, Go-to-Market Lead, Microsoft Surface, puts it this way:

"Because it's not just about what the AI can do — it's also about where it operates."

 

Together with Remco de Kramer (Go-to-Market Lead, Microsoft Surface), Laura Osborn (Solution Architect, Surface Engineering) and Kenneth Perry (Surface Master Trainer), we'll go deep on exactly that:

• How hybrid AI really works — when cloud (Microsoft Copilot), hybrid (Windows Foundry) and hardware (40+ TOPS NPU) play together.
• What a 40+ TOPS NPU actually changes in practice — demonstrated live with Click to Do, Windows Studio Effects, Live Captions with translation and the new Windows Search.
• Why on-device AI is the decisive lever — for regulated industries, field teams and sensitive data: offline, private, faster, and with cost under control.
• What the new devices deliver — Surface Pro (12th Edition) and Surface Laptop for Business with Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 3 and a 50 TOPS NPU. AI-ready out of the box, with Copilot key, optional privacy screen and chip-to-cloud security.
• How Microsoft 365 Copilot feels when it runs on a device specifically tested, built and tuned for it.

A show format, not webinar routine. Real Copilot scenarios from the business world. Hands-on insights, straight from the Surface engineering and trainer team.

 

Filming is wrapped. The curtain is about to rise — and you're invited.

 

[JazzFlute]

11 minutes ago, LeMarchand said:

MS really, really, want you to think otherwise:

 

 

 

Maybe on very high end specs but my spec is pretty good and all i can compare it to is a bit like a hybrid car where when you use Copilot or AI Software, a bit more processing power for a second kicks in, a fan blast and that's about it.  Not noticed any real speed increase compared to a non Copilot branded PC.  Marketing gimmick at best and still probably boiling a thousand kettles somewhere in the world when you use it 🤣