Detecting plagiarism via ChatGPT + Paraphrasing AI

[chrisjako]

I'm sure this is something that is a widespread concern at the moment with regards to plagiarism; but I am concerned that students are completing coursework using AI ChatGPT and then using a paraphrasing tool to change the wording.

 

We can use Senso when students are doing pc work in lessons to check at a quick glance that they are on task, a teacher reported to see a student work on his business coursework by entering a prompt and then pasting this into the paraphrasing tool Quillbot.

 

I suspect other students have done this for their exam preparation but it is really difficult to prove.

 

We have a duty to ensure work is in students' own words before sending samples to the exam board but I'm not sure how we can do this effectively.

 

What solutions have schools come up with to combat this?

[Aprice]

I worked at a school that used Turnitin a while back, not sure if that would sort it or how expensive it would be.

[howartp]

TurnItIn are very close to launching some new features that claim to detect ChatGPT etc.

[titch]

Without wanting to derail the thread....at what point does work "become your own" Didn't have the internet when I was doing coursework but I was definitely stealing then rephrasing then rearranging work in a more manual fashion back in the late 90s. Whilst it was more difficult is it not the same thing?

[hardtailstar]

Without wanting to derail the thread....at what point does work "become your own" Didn't have the internet when I was doing coursework but I was definitely stealing then rephrasing then rearranging work in a more manual fashion back in the late 90s. Whilst it was more difficult is it not the same thing?

 

A lot of my coursework for GSCE's and college were from text books that I reworded and typed up. Which was actively encouraged by teachers so they could see that we understood what we were reading!

 

I guess kids today just need to copy and paste!

[Ditto]

It's a bit like the virus and immune system, a bit like malware and the protection software, a bit like ying and yang - it's going to be an on-going battle forever. There's never going to be a 'win' scenario for either side. So, I think what's left is teach the pupils to embrace the pupils in how to use the technology for economic and social good. In terms of assessment, we are going to have to change we do that if you want to avoid the issue of plagiarism.

[markberry]

A very simple low tech solution, question the kids on what they've written and see whether they actually have the knowledge they have put down on paper!

[Slarty66]

A very simple low tech solution, question the kids on what they've written and see whether they actually have the knowledge they have put down on paper!

I have just had a conversation with a teacher saying the very thing, I also pointed out it would be a bit obvious when a students work suddenly improves with what they have produced before!

[dmj]

What solutions have schools come up with to combat this?

 

The best solution would be to pay professionals to do it, schools often do this by hiring 'teachers'

[thimon]

I’ve done some testing. Gptzero and TurnItIn have been very good at detecting AI created work, sometimes stating AI created content 100%. However even TurnItIn warn about false positives. For example, the American Declaration of Independence is apparently written by AI! It’s already been mentioned, teachers will need to be on the look out for drastic changes or improvements in writing content or style. If I were a student again, I would use ChatGPT to create chapters or bullet points to include, I’d then create topics and content from those prompts in my own words and knowledge.

[chrisjako]

Everyone is kind of doing this, I got an apology from a well known MIS which was clearly written by chatgpt with a little human intervention:

 

###########################

 

Dear *****

 

I hope this email finds you well. I wanted to personally reach out to you today to apologise for the recent experience you had while dealing with our support service.

 

I have been made aware that there was an error in the listing of one of your schools as partner supported in our system. I understand that the error resulted in your support request being turned away by both us and *******. This has understandably caused you inconvenience and frustration, and we are sorry for the impact it has had on your experience with our service.

 

I want to assure you that we take full responsibility for this mistake and have already taken immediate action to ensure that it does not happen again.

 

If you have any further concerns or feedback, please do not hesitate to reach out to us. Thank you for your understanding and patience in this matter.

 

Sincerely,

 

*******

Head of Support

 

########################

[TechMonkey]

I'd be interested in why you feel that is clearly written by chatgpt with little human intervention? I only ask as it sounds like something I would write, so I am now slightly questioning my own existence.

 

As for the original question, I agree with @markberry, teachers need to engage with the pupils and ensure they have understanding. We are at a T junction, either we carry on regardless, turn towards the draconian method of controlled essays for all handed in work, or set handed-in work as something to use in class or 1:1s to ensure the pupil has the understanding much like a viva at University.

 

I also have issue with the plagiarising software as I have heard far too many accounts of them classifying work as plagarised due to common sentences or from quoting work. This is normally compounded by organisations not actually getting a real person to check and following the system blindly. So I may be overly cynical in trusting their claims about detecting AI writing when the AI that wrote a piece can't detect itself.

[chrisjako]

I'd be interested in why you feel that is clearly written by chatgpt with little human intervention? I only ask as it sounds like something I would write, so I am now slightly questioning my own existence.

 

As for the original question, I agree with @markberry, teachers need to engage with the pupils and ensure they have understanding. We are at a T junction, either we carry on regardless, turn towards the draconian method of controlled essays for all handed in work, or set handed-in work as something to use in class or 1:1s to ensure the pupil has the understanding much like a viva at University.

 

I also have issue with the plagiarising software as I have heard far too many accounts of them classifying work as plagarised due to common sentences or from quoting work. This is normally compounded by organisations not actually getting a real person to check and following the system blindly. So I may be overly cynical in trusting their claims about detecting AI writing when the AI that wrote a piece can't detect itself.

 

"I hope this email finds you well" is a dead giveaway, also put it through chatGPT detector and it confirms it was written by AI, also emailed the sender "out of interest did you use chaptGPT for this response" they confirmed they had

[Andrew_C]

Errr... Really tough spotting cheats.

[londonbg]

I don't even know where to start with this..

 

[Theblacksheep]

is there a tool for students to detect if the the teacher has used ai?

 

/s

[chrisjako]

I don't even know where to start with this..

 

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They use gmail, chatGPT is the least of their problems