[bromcom] How to obtain KS2 Fine Scores?

[CarterUSM]

Hi

Can someone please confirm the correct procedure for deriving the Key Stage 2 Fine Scores, for the purposes of inputting fine scores into the KS4 Attainment Dashboard for those students currently without fine scores?

It used to be the case that fine scores could be derived from just the Reading and Maths scaled scores. Has this changed since 2019?

The table in the DfE secondary accountability measures for 2022 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1112046/Secondary_accountability_measures_2022_guide.pdf , page 67) details how to derive the expected Attainment 8 average from the average KS2 scaled score – but there seems to be no way of deriving the KS2 fine levels from the expected Att 8 average as there used to be.

Any assistance in this area would be very gratefully appreciated. Many thanks in anticipation.

[Bromcom_Support_2]

Hi

Can someone please confirm the correct procedure for deriving the Key Stage 2 Fine Scores, for the purposes of inputting fine scores into the KS4 Attainment Dashboard for those students currently without fine scores?

It used to be the case that fine scores could be derived from just the Reading and Maths scaled scores. Has this changed since 2019?

The table in the DfE secondary accountability measures for 2022 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1112046/Secondary_accountability_measures_2022_guide.pdf , page 67) details how to derive the expected Attainment 8 average from the average KS2 scaled score – but there seems to be no way of deriving the KS2 fine levels from the expected Att 8 average as there used to be.

Any assistance in this area would be very gratefully appreciated. Many thanks in anticipation.

 

Hi Carter USM

 

From my understanding, Fine Scores are an old/outdated data set. Conversion guides for this can be found on Google if you wish.

To move forward, you need to obtain your Student’s Scaled Scores.

 

You can download the CTF Assessment including their Scaled Scores from the DfE.

Once you have that data, you need to select the correct estimates when setting up the KS4 Dashboard Snapshot, so that their Scaled Scores are used for the calculation of their progress.

 

If you have any further questions or struggle with this, please contact our help desk directly and we would be happy to assist you.

 

Kind regards,

Bromcom Support

[CarterUSM]

Hi

 

Thank you for your reply. The issue is that the Progress 8 figures produced on the Dashboard, are dependent on the fine level scores; students with no fine level scores are omitted from the calculation, even though they have average scaled scores.

 

How relevant is Progress 8 as a measure of progress now, if it cannot be measured without fine level scores? Is it now dependent on something else, and if so, will the KS4 Dashboard be updated to take this into account?

 

In the meantime, there appears to be an obvious relationship between the average scaled score and the fine score. For the purposes of obtaining Progress 8 calculations within the Dashboard, would it be an acceptable approximation to derive estimated figures for the fine scores from the average scaled scores?

 

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

[Bromcom_Support_2]

Hi

 

Thank you for your reply. The issue is that the Progress 8 figures produced on the Dashboard, are dependent on the fine level scores; students with no fine level scores are omitted from the calculation, even though they have average scaled scores.

 

How relevant is Progress 8 as a measure of progress now, if it cannot be measured without fine level scores? Is it now dependent on something else, and if so, will the KS4 Dashboard be updated to take this into account?

 

In the meantime, there appears to be an obvious relationship between the average scaled score and the fine score. For the purposes of obtaining Progress 8 calculations within the Dashboard, would it be an acceptable approximation to derive estimated figures for the fine scores from the average scaled scores?

 

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

 

Hi CarterUSM

 

Would you be able to raise a case for this please, we will need to take a look at your system to ensure we are understanding your query correctly and perform some checks. Once the case is raised, you can DM the case reference so I can check the progress/outcome of it if you wish.

 

Kind regards,

Bromcom Support

[AlistairB1983]

Hi

Thank you for your reply. The issue is that the Progress 8 figures produced on the Dashboard, are dependent on the fine level scores; students with no fine level scores are omitted from the calculation, even though they have average scaled scores.

How relevant is Progress 8 as a measure of progress now, if it cannot be measured without fine level scores? Is it now dependent on something else, and if so, will the KS4 Dashboard be updated to take this into account?

In the meantime, there appears to be an obvious relationship between the average scaled score and the fine score. For the purposes of obtaining Progress 8 calculations within the Dashboard, would it be an acceptable approximation to derive estimated figures for the fine scores from the average scaled scores?

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

 

Whilst I can't help with the Bromcom aspect of your question, speaking as a Data Manager I can certainly take a stab at trying to help with the P8 part of it.

 

Progress 8 is, arguably, THE measure of progress for secondary schools. It's probably the main figure that gets published by the DfE/waved around proudly (or hidden away in shame) by schools.

 

Progress 8 used to be calculated base on KS2 Fine Level scores (the 'old' method). However a number of years ago the KS2 assessments were reformed and the results now come out as scaled scores (the 'new' method). As of last summer (20220), students sitting their GCSEs will have their KS2 scores via the new method (i.e. scaled scores) rather than the old method (fine levels). Therefore all the Progress 8 calculations have now been updated to reflect this - hence (presumably) why Bromcom's dashboard no longer works using Fine Levels.

 

Apologies if this is telling you information you already know.

[Ditto]

Do you know how the Progress 8 measure is going to be calculated where KS2 results were cancelled in 2020 and 2021 due to covid?

[Seb1780]

Do you know how the Progress 8 measure is going to be calculated where KS2 results were cancelled in 2020 and 2021 due to covid?

 

No, this detail has not yet been defined (and probably won't be until September 2027)

[AlistairB1983]

Do you know how the Progress 8 measure is going to be calculated where KS2 results were cancelled in 2020 and 2021 due to covid?

So far DfE haven't released any information with regards to P8 calculations for these two cohorts.

 

And unfortunately I don't really expect that to change any time soon - as no one really knows what to do!