Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 Hi folks, Been a while since I built my previous home desktop (12 years in fact!), so I'm after some component advice. Despite the age of the desktop it has a modular PSU that I bought within the last 5 or so years, when the last one failed. I'm also looking to reuse the case, which was also changed in the last 5 or so years. I use it as a media server and for browsing. I might fit a decent graphics card at some point for gaming, but at the moment I just want a reasonably fast machine for Internet browsing and a bit of app use. I'm also going to get a new SSD for the OS, as the current one's currently showing a health of 6% in Crystal Disk Info (it must be coming up on 10 years old). So, I'm thinking of updating with the following: Mobo = Asus PRIME Z490-P https://www.ebuyer.com/975287-asus-prime-z490-p-ddr4-atx-motherboard-prime-z490-p CPU = Intel i7 10700F https://www.ebuyer.com/974862-intel-core-i7-10700f-10th-gen-comet-lake-8-core-processor-bx8070110700f Memory = 2 * Kingston Hyper X Fury DDR3 2666MHz https://www.ebuyer.com/911762-kingston-hyper-x-fury-ddr4-2666mhz-1-x-8-gb-hx426c16fb3-8 SSD = WD Black 500GB SN750 NVMe https://www.ebuyer.com/879531-wd-black-500gb-sn750-nvme-ssd-with-heatsink-wds500g3xhc Am I way off base with any of these choices? Thanks
DalekSec Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 Go AMD, you will not be disappointed. Only issue being is you'll need to buy one with intergrated graphics if you don't have a GPU. Also you have DDR3 RAM with a DDR4 Mobo and CPU, 3100Mhz is the sweet spot for AMD chips for price/performance atm. NVMe looks good though, i'd go samsung if possible tho they do the best. 1
Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Author Posted April 25, 2021 My mistake, that's actually DDR4. What would be an equivalent AMD CPU?
bald_pig Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 The processor you listed doesn't have an integrated GPU, so you need to get a dedicated GPU or switch to a non-F CPU. As dalek said, I'd be going for an AMD CPU with dedicated graphics, even if it's just a £20 quadro card from ICT Direct until gaming cards come back to sensible pricing! 2
Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Author Posted April 25, 2021 Is it the 10700K that has the integrated GPU? I'm way out of touch with all this.
DalekSec Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 K does have intergrated yes, if going AMD you're looking for a model with G on the end. No one is really going Intel atm unless you need something that is only supported on Intel CPUs like Thunderbolt* *Yes i know you can get thunderbolt on AMD now but it's much rarer! 1
Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Author Posted April 25, 2021 So instead if I went with: Ryzen 7 3700X https://www.ebuyer.com/883790-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-am4-cpu-processor-with-wraith-prism-rgb-cooler-100-100000071box Asus X570-P https://www.ebuyer.com/899218-asus-prime-x570-p-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-prime-x570-p Which Quadro card from ICT Direct would be comaptible with this? (I'm not spotting any components on their site, just whole systems)
DalekSec Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 You'll have to use their sister consumer focused site: https://www.bargainhardware.co.uk/components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards Worth making sure w/e one you get works ok with Windows 10 1
Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Author Posted April 25, 2021 Yes, I have an old Radeon card in the current desktop, and I can't get drivers newer than 2015. Suffice to say it's not great with Win 10, regular crashes! Part of the reason for wanting to update.
computer_expert Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 If you need a SATA SSD for extra storage, amazon currently have the MX500 1tb for ~£67 1
3s-gtech Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 Wow, that will be old! AMD did final drivers in 2015 for 4xxx series (which I’ve found to be pretty stable) and 5xxx and 6xxx weren’t long after. My 6950 is still going strong (even if the fan bearings are dying) and is rock solid stable. Any old card will do for now. A cheap second hand 77xx or older R7 card if you can find one, will be on much newer drivers. 1
bald_pig Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 Is it the 10700K that has the integrated GPU? I'm way out of touch with all this. For Intel, the F cards have no integrated graphics, all others do. The K signifies that the CPU is unlocked for overclocking. So instead if I went with: Ryzen 7 3700X https://www.ebuyer.com/883790-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-am4-cpu-processor-with-wraith-prism-rgb-cooler-100-100000071box Asus X570-P https://www.ebuyer.com/899218-asus-prime-x570-p-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-prime-x570-p Which Quadro card from ICT Direct would be comaptible with this? (I'm not spotting any components on their site, just whole systems) I'd probably go for the 5600X over the 3700x, the performance is much greater on the 5600X even though it's 2 physical cores down on the 3700X: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4043vs4084 As for the the Quadro, I'd look at something like the NVS310 1Gb with dual displayport from @ICTDirect_Dave or maybe a K600 if you can find one. 1
Gongalong Posted April 25, 2021 Author Posted April 25, 2021 Wow, that will be old! AMD did final drivers in 2015 for 4xxx series (which I’ve found to be pretty stable) and 5xxx and 6xxx weren’t long after. I've checked and it's a 5800 HD. Frequently I get screen corruption, often so bad that I have to restart the machine.
3s-gtech Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 I've checked and it's a 5800 HD. Frequently I get screen corruption, often so bad that I have to restart the machine. Decent old card those. When that starts to happen though, it won’t be drivers - it’ll be years of heat cycles and failing cooling and subsequent damage to the components/GPU. My old 6870 did it after the original fan died. No issues with the replacement 6950 (which was £20 - doubt you’d get one for that now!) 1
bald_pig Posted April 25, 2021 Posted April 25, 2021 Just an FYI, you can get some better pricing away from ebuyer, I've put a list together: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VxHYK3 1
ICTDirect_Dave Posted April 26, 2021 Posted April 26, 2021 So instead if I went with: Ryzen 7 3700X https://www.ebuyer.com/883790-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-am4-cpu-processor-with-wraith-prism-rgb-cooler-100-100000071box Asus X570-P https://www.ebuyer.com/899218-asus-prime-x570-p-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-prime-x570-p Which Quadro card from ICT Direct would be comaptible with this? (I'm not spotting any components on their site, just whole systems) You'll have to use their sister consumer focused site: https://www.bargainhardware.co.uk/components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards Worth making sure w/e one you get works ok with Windows 10 You can come to me direct for personal purchases as you're edugeek members We've all sorts of quadro cards, ranging from a cheapo £20 option that will be fine to just get something on screen, to hefty £200 quoadros with 12GB RAM ideal for video and 3d work 1
dmason2 Posted April 26, 2021 Posted April 26, 2021 may be worth using pcparkspicker or pcspecialist to get a compatible machine and try sourcing the components from somewhere else 1
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