Englands Biggest 1:1 iPad Scheme

[Brimstone]

 

Majority of what we need is office based or online. We have online storage areas which the kids can access without logging on, they all have access to email, we convert PPTs to video and chuck them on YouTube and we've got a few more things in the pipeline.

 

Oh dear....your school obviously had no vision for technology, no long term CPD plan for teachers. sounds like to you chucked the technology at teachers and said get on with it.

 

This project has been in planning for over 2 years, I'm certain it will be a success.

[DGardiner]

The problem with these programs is unless you have the staff, the training and the will for this to happen they just ecome entertainment/cba to teach toys.

 

The companies that push this stuff usually show you a few shiny workflows that look nice and swish then piss off into the sunset, our 1:1 ipad school has taken years to get to where it is and that was with buy in.

[StoneGroup_JackW]

We've seen a big increase in BYOD schemes over the past 12-18 months (for reasons obvious...) going down the iPad route does go against our usual norm though!

[Brimstone]

I hope it's more to do with common sense. As long as schools still have availability for proper devices and teach the basics on them then 1:1 on ipads is fine. Otherwise, the schools might as well teach them Latin for all the good it'll do.

It's totally clear you have little or no understanding at all what can be done on an iPad or how it equates to teaching and learning in schools.

 

We don't send children to school to learn how to use a device, as well as subject specific skills, we teach them to think for themselves, to develop independent cognitive learning skills, to allow them to access media and content from a whole range of platforms and then use their tool of choice to present with or/and explain their thinking.

 

Or maybe you just think a screen and keyboard is all a child needs to learn..?

[TechMonkey]

Oh dear....your school obviously had no vision for technology, no long term CPD plan for teachers. sounds like to you chucked the technology at teachers and said get on with it.

 

Was that necessary? Nothing in what he said says they didn't do any of that and nothing he said shows they are having issues with their approach. Just seems like an unnecessary snarky attack. Unless I am missing something and his school is a known case study or there is sarcasm I missed.

[DGardiner]

We don't send children to school to learn how to use a device, as well as subject specific skills, we teach them to think for themselves, to develop independent cognitive learning skills, to allow them to access media and content from a whole range of platforms and then use their tool of choice to present with or/and explain their thinking.

 

this is a pet peve of mine, when people turn around and say they cant work google docs/pages/etc because its not WORD

 

the software has exactly the same concepts, icons and menus... use your loaf 99% of users do not need the unique or advanced features.

 

 

We should be teaching transferable skills... not Word, Powerpoint, Excel... the amount of people that cant find a website without it being on the first page of google is absolutely shocking..... even if you give them the address they still search

[Brimstone]

The problem with these programs is unless you have the staff, the training and the will for this to happen they just ecome entertainment/cba to teach toys.

 

The companies that push this stuff usually show you a few shiny workflows that look nice and swish then piss off into the sunset, our 1:1 ipad school has taken years to get to where it is and that was with buy in.

You must have picked the wrong reseller then... probably one who doesn't have links with Apple at all is not an AAES Certified Reseller and was only interested in shifting tin to schools.

 

I've got at least 50 or more schools I've been supporting for over 10 years, even after you have a 1:1 scheme in place, that doesn't mean you are at an end, there is no end point.

[DGardiner]

You must have picked the wrong reseller then... probably one who doesn't have links with Apple at all is not an AAES Certified Reseller and was only interested in shifting tin to schools.

 

I've got at least 50 or more schools I've been supporting for over 10 years, even after you have a 1:1 scheme in place, that doesn't mean you are at an end, there is no end point.

 

our reseller was one of the big AAES.

 

every time they delivered any training we got a "wooooo showbie" LOOK AT THIS! or something equivalent. to be fair my direct apple contact did alot more for us than the suppliers ever did.

[Zammo]

It's totally clear you have little or no understanding at all what can be done on an iPad or how it equates to teaching and learning in schools.

 

We don't send children to school to learn how to use a device, as well as subject specific skills, we teach them to think for themselves, to develop independent cognitive learning skills, to allow them to access media and content from a whole range of platforms and then use their tool of choice to present with or/and explain their thinking.

 

Or maybe you just think a screen and keyboard is all a child needs to learn..?

 

Brimstone I completely get your frustration, some of the posts on here are generalisations and/or misconceptions but your manner is abrupt to the point of being rude!

[Brimstone]

our reseller was one of the big AAES.

 

every time they delivered any training we got a "wooooo showbie" LOOK AT THIS! or something equivalent. to be fair my direct apple contact did alot more for us than the suppliers ever did.

I'm really sorry you had a bad experience with an AAES.

 

When I get involved in 1:1 schemes I make some things as clear as day to senior leadership ( I get some interesting reactions)

 

The iPad alone will not improve your results or attainment, it's just a bit of glass and some metal

Teachers need to teach using an iPad (this does not have to be from day 1)

You need to have a proper 2 hour planning workshop, Vision, Teaching, Learning, Environment (network/WiFi)

You need have a long term CPD mentoring strategy for teachers (Not every single teacher in the main hall for an hour)

You will likely lose some teachers who do not want to engage with this program and will leave

 

As a last bit Showbie is a fantasic tool if positioned correctly, have you used it yourself in a classroom?

[Brimstone]

this is a pet peve of mine, when people turn around and say they cant work google docs/pages/etc because its not WORD

 

the software has exactly the same concepts, icons and menus... use your loaf 99% of users do not need the unique or advanced features.

 

 

We should be teaching transferable skills... not Word, Powerpoint, Excel... the amount of people that cant find a website without it being on the first page of google is absolutely shocking..... even if you give them the address they still search

 

I totally agree with everything you said and this can be done, I have primaries everywhere that didn't really have students engaged in coding on PC's. When they introduced Swift Playgrounds on the iPad the students loved the coding and debugging so much they now have developed skills to code on the PC's.

 

So these skills are transferable and I've seen loads of examples of this

[DGardiner]

I totally agree with everything you said and this can be done, I have primaries everywhere that didn't really have students engaged in coding on PC's. When they introduced Swift Playgrounds on the iPad the students loved the coding and debugging so much they now have developed skills to code on the PC's.

So these skills are transferable and I've seen loads of examples of this

 

Yep, having the teachers go out and find the tools they need to deliver their stuff has been great. like i said theyre great if used correctly and not just as carrots for the kids to behave

 

As a last bit Showbie is a fantasic tool if positioned correctly, have you used it yourself in a classroom?

 

I dont teach so no, i do all the tech stuff and thats it.

Im really not critiqing showbie, from what the teachers say it was a great tool - theyve since moved on to seesaw i think.

 

We were in discussions at some point to get involved with the RTC program and ADS program. Its just been one of the things that personally annoyed me that every time we looked for training it always seemed to be a pack of gimmiks tied together that produce a "good" lesson and nothing more. Teaching the skills to implement therse ideas yourself and not just imitate a scripted lesson should be the goals.

[paulkerton]

As I've said many times before, you teacher the skills not the tools. That can be done on any device. iPad, Windows, Mac, Chromebook, Ubuntu Linux.

 

I still don't think iPad is the way to go, personally for myriad of reasons. The price is quite deceptive, for example. I'm going to use the consumer pricing but still, the point remains.

iPad = £329. Apple Pencil = £99 Keyboard = £159

So now you're at £587.00. That's a hell of a lot of money for the lowest end device.

Move to the iPad Air and you're nearing £1000 for that setup.

 

Then you have to license an MDM. You have to still use Office 365 or G Suite to offer any kind of usable cloud service. Then you have the cost of software.

I just think iPad is a fools errand, personally.

 

Then the Apple Pencil is still the 1st Generation one on the 8th gen iPad and well...

 

 

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[DGardiner]

As I've said many times before, you teacher the skills not the tools. That can be done on any device. iPad, Windows, Mac, Chromebook, Ubuntu Linux.

 

I still don't think iPad is the way to go, personally for myriad of reasons. The price is quite deceptive, for example. I'm going to use the consumer pricing but still, the point remains.

iPad = £329. Apple Pencil = £99 Keyboard = £159

So now you're at £587.00. That's a hell of a lot of money for the lowest end device.

Move to the iPad Air and you're nearing £1000 for that setup.

 

Then you have to license an MDM. You have to still use Office 365 or G Suite to offer any kind of usable cloud service. Then you have the cost of software.

I just think iPad is a fools errand, personally.

 

Then the Apple Pencil is still the 1st Generation one on the 8th gen iPad and well...

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someone needs to make a pencil dock for 30 lightning ports!

[FN-GM]

As I've said many times before, you teacher the skills not the tools. That can be done on any device. iPad, Windows, Mac, Chromebook, Ubuntu Linux.

 

I still don't think iPad is the way to go, personally for myriad of reasons. The price is quite deceptive, for example. I'm going to use the consumer pricing but still, the point remains.

iPad = £329. Apple Pencil = £99 Keyboard = £159

So now you're at £587.00. That's a hell of a lot of money for the lowest end device.

Move to the iPad Air and you're nearing £1000 for that setup.

 

Then you have to license an MDM. You have to still use Office 365 or G Suite to offer any kind of usable cloud service. Then you have the cost of software.

I just think iPad is a fools errand, personally.

 

Then the Apple Pencil is still the 1st Generation one on the 8th gen iPad and well...

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The new iPad airs use the Apple Pencil 2. This charges wirelessly.

[Bev]

Students don’t need Apple Pencil (nice as they are) or keyboards. They are very adept with an on screen keyboard.

 

Our costs are for the iPad / insurance and Mdm. The insurance adds the biggest cost. We use almost entirely free apps, the only one we pay for is explain everything. We do subscribe to some websites but these would be the same regardless of device.

Google for education is free.

 

Our parents pay around £13/month for a basic iPad.

[hardtailstar]

The iPad alone will not improve your results or attainment, it's just a bit of glass and some metal

Teachers need to teach using an iPad (this does not have to be from day 1)

 

If the ipad wont improve results or attainment then why push for a bit of glass and metal?

 

There are plenty of other good devices about that would suit just as well.

 

Surely if you are implementing a 1:1 scheme you need to check the best suitability of device, not just push the device that is shiny.

 

We are a Windows and Google school, Chrome books, android tablets or windows laptops would be best suited to use for us.

[elsiegee40]

This thread has got somewhat moody.

 

As ever, there are Apple fans and people who wish Bill Gates had never been born.

 

Let’s keep this thread on the topic of a huge rollout of hardware that happens to be iPad rather than start squabbling among each other about the merits or otherwise of various technologies.

 

Usual posting rules apply... if you feel you’re going to post something that will invoke the wrath of the mods go get a cuppa and a hobnob. If someone says something out of order then report it and then go get your cuppa and a hobnob while the mods sort it out.

[synaesthesia]

It's totally clear you have little or no understanding at all what can be done on an iPad or how it equates to teaching and learning in schools.

 

We don't send children to school to learn how to use a device, as well as subject specific skills, we teach them to think for themselves, to develop independent cognitive learning skills, to allow them to access media and content from a whole range of platforms and then use their tool of choice to present with or/and explain their thinking.

 

Or maybe you just think a screen and keyboard is all a child needs to learn..?

 

No need for that rudeness - my understanding is FAR beyond what you seem to think, and my experience and expertise proves I know *exactly* how it works, how it *should* work etc. I know full well it's not about the devices, and I made it clear it should all be device agnostic. You appear to have head in the cloud a little here (sorry, pun was intended!) and assuming that just because that's what they've learned that's exactly how it'll work for them in the Big Wide World.

They DO need basic keyboard skills. They DO need to be able to choose the right tool for the right job - but when 6 times out of 10 the right tool isn't a touchscreen device and you're watching a kid with a PhD tap away frustratingly at a non-touchscreen device, are you really going to stand by that comment?

 

"Here, you're now equipped to fix any car, not just that Ford. All the tools you need are right here - a set of allen keys and a fudge cake."

 

We're all here for the same reason, the betterment of our next generations and IT is a small but increasing part of that.

[elsiegee40]

Ahem! Previous post is being left. Any more huffy posts will be removed without warning

[paulkerton]

The new iPad airs use the Apple Pencil 2. This charges wirelessly.

The new iPad Air does, but not the new iPad 8th Generation, which is the one schools get for $30 less and will be the one everyone will be buying in education.

The minimum spec new iPad 8th Generation - 32GB WiFi is £329 retail. The minium spec new iPad Air 64GB WiFi is £579 retail.

[paulkerton]

Students don’t need Apple Pencil (nice as they are) or keyboards. They are very adept with an on screen keyboard.

 

Our costs are for the iPad / insurance and Mdm. The insurance adds the biggest cost. We use almost entirely free apps, the only one we pay for is explain everything. We do subscribe to some websites but these would be the same regardless of device.

Google for education is free.

 

Our parents pay around £13/month for a basic iPad.

 

Disagree. Students need to use a keyboard. Even if they're adept with on screen keyboard, they need to learn how to use a keyboard to type.

And the free apps thing - Well, if you're spending hundreds on a high quality device and then not paying for apps, I think the priorities are the wrong way around there.