Nvidia 30xx series launch today

[Rob_D]

SLi is now dead

 

I wonder if this is a subtle measure to try and make their cards less appealing to miners. TBH I don't know how mining rigs are set up, but anything that's basically looking to nerf multi-gpu setups outside of games can't be good for them, right?

 

Oh and happy birthday DalekSec!

Edited September 18, 2020 by Rob_D

[DalekSec]

I wonder if this is a subtle measure to try and make their cards less appealing to miners. TBH I don't know how mining rigs are set up, but anything that's basically looking to nerf multi-gpu setups outside of games can't be good for them, right?

 

Oh and happy birthday DalekSec!

 

Thank you

[bald_pig]

I wonder if this is a subtle measure to try and make their cards less appealing to miners. TBH I don't know how mining rigs are set up, but anything that's basically looking to nerf multi-gpu setups outside of games can't be good for them, right?

 

I don't think mining rigs use SLI, they normally go beyond the 4way max of SLI!

[sonofsanta]

Looking like stock is gone for about six weeks already o_O https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/09/18/heres-where-you-can-actually-buy-an-rtx-3080-right-now

 

Feels like nVidia just wanted to beat AMD to the punch, and rushed release before they had actual stock. Crazy stuff. Kinda glad I elected not to wait and just buy my 5700XT three months ago: still a mighty good card (and good value for money on FPS/£ charts, only losing to this new 3080) and means I don't have to get so frustrated by all this nonsense!

[Domino]

I wonder if this is a subtle measure to try and make their cards less appealing to miners. TBH I don't know how mining rigs are set up, but anything that's basically looking to nerf multi-gpu setups outside of games can't be good for them, right?

 

Oh and happy birthday DalekSec!

 

The hardcore miners have switched to ASIC - GPUs returns aren't worth the outlay anymore.

 

I think Nvidia have gone off the extra support needed to support SLI, especially considering the diminishing returns and the power of the modern cards

[bald_pig]

The hardcore miners have switched to ASIC - GPUs returns aren't worth the outlay anymore.

 

I think Nvidia have gone off the extra support needed to support SLI, especially considering the diminishing returns and the power of the modern cards

 

Yeah, the only people who were really using SLI were the benchmark highscore chasers...

[sted]

Yeah, the only people who were really using SLI were the benchmark highscore chasers...

i dont know 2 3090s with flightsim might be good lol

[bald_pig]

i dont know 2 3090s with flightsim might be good lol

 

From what I've been watching, flight sim is cpu bound, not gpu, a 3080 isn't being maxed out by it yet!

[Arthur]

[CHiLL]

I wouldn't have expected any difference, much like where wasn't any noticeable gaming performance difference between 2.0 and 3.0 when it launched. Where it does makes sense with with the new PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives and file streaming in games. We can actually thank consoles for pushing this, though pricing and hardware compatibility will remain an issue for a while.

[Arthur]

TL;DR Yes.

 

 

Where it does makes sense with the new PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives and file streaming in games. We can actually thank consoles for pushing this, though pricing and hardware compatibility will remain an issue for a while.

Some of the new PCIe 4.0 SSDs out soon have insane performance. Samsung's 980 Pro NVMe SSD for example is even faster than the one in the PS5 with sequential reads of 7,000 MB/s and writes of upto 5,000 MB/s!

 

www.anandtech.com/show/16087/the-samsung-980-pro-pcie-4-ssd-review

 

Two Waves of PCIe 4.0 Storage: Wave One

AMD kicked off the transition to PCIe 4.0 last year with the release of their Zen 2 family of CPUs. This started the first phase of PCIe 4.0 SSDs, starting with Phison.

 

Phison was the only SSD controller vendor ready with a PCIe 4.0 solution at the time; its E16 controller has enjoyed over a year on the market as the only option for consumer PCIe 4.0 SSDs. We're reported a lot about it as well. But the Phison E16 was a bit of a rushed design, with a minimum of changes to their highly successful E12 controller to enable PCIe 4.0 support. That left the E16 with some notable shortcomings: it only offers slightly more peak bandwidth provided by the upgrade to PCIe 4.0, and the extra performance comes with a lot of extra power consumption. The rest of the SSD industry decided to take the PCIe 4.0 transition a bit more slowly, preparing more mature controller designs to be manufactured on smaller process nodes that can provide the efficiency necessary to use the full speed of a PCIe 4.0 x4 link while staying within the thermal and power constraints of a M.2 drive.

 

All the major players in the SSD controller market have been preparing for this second wave of Gen4 drives, but Samsung is making the first move in this round. The 980 PRO introduces the new Samsung Elpis controller, built on their 8nm process and designed to double the peak performance offered by PCIe Gen3 SSDs.

 

Wave Two Starts With Samsung

In addition to the new Elpis controller, the 980 PRO introduces a new generation of 3D NAND flash memory from Samsung. Officially, Samsung isn't disclosing the layer count, but they've claimed it's 40% more than their previous generation which was 92L, so this should be 128L 3D NAND. Samsung isn't the first to market with 128L NAND (SK hynix by less than a month), but it shows that layer counts are increasing and capacity should be as well.

 

Historically, the PRO line of SSDs use some of Samsung's fastest and most durable NAND available - this is what gives the products the PRO name. This time around, Samsung is changing things to help expand its Pro line customer base - Samsung is abandoning the use of the two bit per cell (MLC) memory that has been the hallmark of the PRO product lines, and with the 980 PRO, Samsung is finally switching to three bit per cell (TLC) NAND flash memory. This change is not unprecedented: Samsung has been almost completely alone in their continued use of 2-bit MLC NAND. By comparison, the rest of the SSD industry (consumer and enterprise) has moved from MLC to TLC, even on the leading edge designs.

 

The 980 PRO's use of TLC instead of MLC may be the end of an era for SSDs, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the drive isn't worthy of the "PRO" name; the 980 PRO is still very clearly at the high end of the consumer market.

 

In many ways, this drive could have easily been labeled the 980 EVO as a replacement for the 970 EVO Plus. Along with switching to TLC NAND, Samsung has cut the write endurance ratings in half to 0.3 DWPD and dropped the usable capacities down to the typical TLC/EVO levels of 250/500/1000 GB instead of 256/512/1024 GB. TLC means the 980 PRO now relies on SLC caching for its peak write speeds, and write performance will drop substantially if the SLC cache is ever filled. However, Samsung has offset this by configuring the 980 PRO to use substantially larger SLC cache sizes than their previous EVO drives, and this is what will give it the Pro name more than anything else.. MSRPs are also now much lower, and comparable to other TLC-based PCIe 4 SSDs.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Arthur

[Remiel]

I managed to get lucky and bag a card from Scan just after 2pm on the launch day, picked it up from the shop that afternoon. There were some pretty irate folks in the queue who evidently assumed they could just walk in and buy one there and then, felt for the staff having to explain the situation repeatedly. They really are phenomenal cards though, especially if you're on 1440p. Everything I've thrown at it so far has been 100+fps smooth with everything maxed out, finally in a position to finish RDR2 without it being a slide show.

[sonofsanta]

(3090 video goes 'ere)

 

 

The size of the bloody thing! That's bigger than the mini-fridge in my office! Good grief, I hope it comes with a support bracket so that's not all hanging off the PCI-E slot

 

EDIT: got curious and followed the link to the 8K TV from the video description, and good news everyone! They've got an offer on where you can save $200 if you buy this $29,999.99 TV with a qualifying soundbar! Dunno about you but that's put it straight into "impulse buy" territory for me, what a bargain

Edited September 23, 2020 by sonofsanta

[DalekSec]

My 2080ti is about the same size and that needs a support bracket!

[ICTDirect_Dave]

My 2080ti

 

Each time there's a mention your 2080Ti I form a mental image of you sobbing over the receipt.

[DalekSec]

Each time there's a mention your 2080Ti I form a mental image of you sobbing over the receipt.

 

I haven't stopped sobbing over the receipt since i brought it! (I tend not to look at it)

[Dos_Box]

 

Shame no one has done the Simpsons Enron meme for 2080ti owners yet.

[Arthur]

[Rob_D]

scalp-bot-9000 (trademark pending) is very excited at the upcoming "stock relocation period" and hopes to have all available 3090 series cards on ebay by 14:00:0002 for your convenience.

 

joking aside, that thing is massive and pretty impressive although I was disappointed LTT didn't try Crysis.

[sonofsanta]

Well, unless you have one of those £20k TVs, the 3090 may not be worth the extra money anyway: Nvidia's RTX 3090 Is Only 10 Percent Faster Than RTX 3080 in 4K Gaming

Reviews should be out today to see the full numbers

Edited September 24, 2020 by sonofsanta

[DalekSec]

Scan are trying to sell me a 3090 with 0% interest rates.... wonder if they sent this email to everyone who brought a 2080ti from them as they know they are suckers

[bald_pig]

Scan are trying to sell me a 3090 with 0% interest rates.... wonder if they sent this email to everyone who brought a 2080ti from them as they know they are suckers

 

I think they sent me that one too, and I bought a 1070ti on black friday!

[sonofsanta]

Digital Foundry review: Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 review: a Titan in all but name

[Arthur]

The possible reason for crashes and instabilities of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3090

 

 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Arthur

[Arthur]

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by Arthur