mikeprice Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Just found this on an ebike forum https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/could-this-self-charging-battery-revolutionise-e-bikes-ndbs-nano-diamond-creation-could It seems to be the answer to all our prayers - phone battery that will last a lifetime laptop battery that will outlive the kids ebike battery that will last for years electric cars that never need charging no charging ever needed!!! climate change is solved!!!! if it is true and not all total carp!!!
stevejp Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Just found this on an ebike forum https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/could-this-self-charging-battery-revolutionise-e-bikes-ndbs-nano-diamond-creation-could It seems to be the answer to all our prayers - phone battery that will last a lifetime laptop battery that will outlive the kids ebike battery that will last for years electric cars that never need charging no charging ever needed!!! climate change is solved!!!! if it is true and not all total carp!!! I suspect the people who queue up to sell us new batteries might have something to say about this...
synaesthesia Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 The fact that it's 100% bunkum doesn't deter you then? It's not new, it's not efficient and it certainly won't be replacing lion/lipo any time soon in vehicles of any shape or size. Let's face some facts, when the thing they're going on about which is roughly the same mass as an 18650 lion cell is capable of a WHOPPING 100 microwatts of energy.... not sure my kids scooter is going to be going too quickly on that let alone a Tesla.
Protec Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Sounds like a load of exaggerated claims when I skim read it tbh
mikeprice Posted August 28, 2020 Author Posted August 28, 2020 Clearly total garbage - always difficult to sell recycled nuclear waste - the marketing would be interesting and I do wonder how recycled nuclear waste degrades into totally natural stuff - which I suppose it does - if you include all the elements of the Periodic Table as natural including the ones only ever made in a nuclear rector so - basically - posted on the assumption that people on here would spot the flaws in the concept pretty easily just for fun 1
mavhc Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 If a new battery tech story doesn't tell you where they're building the factory to make a billion of them, it's probably pointless
HPlum78 Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 I have had an idea for a harvesting battery that after the inputs useful life it decays down to virtually nothing for e-bikes, have not run the numbers but TBH nor has this mob! And as soon as the input has reached the end of its useful life its not all bad as it can be replaced with a newer model. Answers on a postcard....
stevejp Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 Now, I’m not clever or scientifically minded like you lot, but I’ve just had a bit of an idea that I thought I’d run past you. Instead of all this battery malarkey, we could fit a bike with a few bits of metal all bolted together - a couple of cylinders, some pipes, pistons; that kind of thing. Then we could get a type of oily liquid (we could call it... oh, I dunno, something like ‘petrol’?), make the petrol explode inside the cylinders, which would make the pistons go up and down and make the wheels turn. Whaddaya think? @mikeprice, what have you started?
mikeprice Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 ^^sorry mate that will never take off... Well - you say that but if you make enough oily liquid explode each time and attach some flat horizontal thingies on the side then maybe it could??? 1
stevejp Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Well - you say that but if you make enough oily liquid explode each time and attach some flat horizontal thingies on the side then maybe it could??? Only if you pedal fast enough. Oh, hang on... 1
mavhc Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Now, I’m not clever or scientifically minded like you lot, but I’ve just had a bit of an idea that I thought I’d run past you. Instead of all this battery malarkey, we could fit a bike with a few bits of metal all bolted together - a couple of cylinders, some pipes, pistons; that kind of thing. Then we could get a type of oily liquid (we could call it... oh, I dunno, something like ‘petrol’?), make the petrol explode inside the cylinders, which would make the pistons go up and down and make the wheels turn. Whaddaya think? @mikeprice, what have you started? Can't see any long term problems that would cause health problems, death, migration, fascism, drought and war with that idea
mikeprice Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 Can't see any long term problems that would cause health problems, death, migration, fascism, drought and war with that idea Well there could be advantages - the British summer could get warmer and all those excess trees in California and Australia would get eliminated
Protec Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 I can see the appeal for ebikes however, for me I prefer my normal bike.
MkII Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Solid state batteries will be here in 5 years which will be half way there? Can't wait.
mikeprice Posted August 31, 2020 Author Posted August 31, 2020 Solid state batteries will be here in 5 years which will be half way there? Can't wait. Probably However I won't hold my breath - I have heard about $newbatterytech that is "about to be ready for market" far too many times!
bwestlake Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Correct me if im wrong but isn't the patents for amazing batteries that will last for stupid amount of time longer than the current owned by the oil companies?
localzuk Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Probably However I won't hold my breath - I have heard about $newbatterytech that is "about to be ready for market" far too many times!You can blame the media for this. They often take a journal article talking about a new idea in battery tech and then run with it. There's all sorts of new tech being developed but usually it takes decades for it to go from theory to the lab to commercial uses to mass market production. So, while we only ever see incremental improvements in reality, those technologies are still being developed and will one day appear but by the time they do, they will just be another incremental improvement.
mikeprice Posted August 31, 2020 Author Posted August 31, 2020 You can blame the media for this. They often take a journal article talking about a new idea in battery tech and then run with it. There's all sorts of new tech being developed but usually it takes decades for it to go from theory to the lab to commercial uses to mass market production. So, while we only ever see incremental improvements in reality, those technologies are still being developed and will one day appear but by the time they do, they will just be another incremental improvement. I agree - sometimes I bother to look up the original actual article or research and it is normally a concept of technology that has maybe worked in a lab and someone publishes a paper showing where they are up to - including possible real life lifetimes, recharge cycles etc As it is a scientific paper it includes max and min projections so some journalist takes the maximum and publishes it along with a widely optimistic description of where it is up to - sometimes (if they can be bothered) with an interview with some sort of tech expert. However the 'expert' will only be asked a nebulous question about 'how good would it be if a battery could be developed to do this' - so they answer the question they were asked which the journalist they quotes as if it was a positive description based on detailed knowledge of the actual concept Still - never mind - the Liverpool Echo has an article about whether people from Liverpool want to be called a Scouser or Liverpudlian - and whether they are proud of it or not - for the first time this week so the future of responsible quality journalism is secure
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