Microsoft Teams For education Live Lessons

[3s-gtech]

As far as I'm aware, they're not recorded by default, or if they are that recording isn't easy to retrieve via regular admin tools.

[mavhc]

Most real life lessons wouldn't take place in a student's bedroom.

It's absolutely vital that we discuss the potential implications without snark and sarcasm.

 

All it takes is one complaint from a malicious child that teacher did something on camera, and without the evidence to protect them, goodbye career.

 

Who knows what the teachers have been telling the children at school when no parents are around, now their parents can listen in too, it's safer now.

 

How is that different to saying they did something in person though?

[supportman]

Are all lessons in the IRL classrooms recorded in case someone makes a complaint?

 

A bit of a silly question really, of course not but it is possible manually to record the session. Its an online classroom though so same principles apply for safeguarding as they do in real life.

[supportman]

Some more tips:

 

- When you are in a live meeting, you just click on the share icon (the oblong with the arrow pointing into it), and it gives you the option to share loads of things including a Whiteboard. Using Word to type stuff might be a better option if you haven’t got a tablet and a stylus.

 

- Teachers may user the permission tab in teams (Click the team you wish to change >> top right three dots “…” >> manage channel >> “only owners can post messages” to mute the main chat window if needed. This will change the permissions so that only teachers can post messages for a time. It can be turned off or on any time.

 

- Teachers can record live broadcasts using Microsoft stream link once the meeting is open

[Driftingashore]

I'm new to teams, and in my limited testing quite a few things confuse me, but the biggest two are:

 

1) It seems like in a meeting students are presenters by default and can do things like take control of Powerpoints. Teachers have to right click each student and select "make attendee" .. is there any way of automatically doing that? Seems crazy.

 

2) I was wondering how you were all setting up meetings - are you scheduling them, or having a teacher start a meeting and then inviting the students? There seems to be no way to invite the entire team (class)?

 

3) Do you think that a live classroom meeting is really necessary, rather than say a prerecorded lesson for the students to watch as a assignment in their own time, and the teacher merely being able to communicate with the students via Teams if they have any questions? Having (and organising) a number of students on mic/cam just seems to be begging for problems imo.

[mavhc]

It's designed for businesses, not classrooms.

 

Don't you just put a link somewhere for people to click?

 

Live teacher, with students communicating via text seems easiest by default.

[mullet_man]

It's designed for businesses, not classrooms.

 

Don't you just put a link somewhere for people to click?

 

Live teacher, with students communicating via text seems easiest by default.

I think Microsoft have started to tailor Teams for the classroom, you can choose a Class Teams when creating a new Team.

[mullet_man]

It would also seem that as part of the free educational licensing you can't do a Live Event?

 

Which in theory would solve the safeguarding issue of students on webcams?

 

Bit of a shame it's not part of the free Teams for Education.

[supportman]

It would also seem that as part of the free educational licensing you can't do a Live Event?

 

Which in theory would solve the safeguarding issue of students on webcams?

 

Bit of a shame it's not part of the free Teams for Education.

 

I dont think thats correct, we are on the free tier and running live broadcasts all the time.

[supportman]

Another tip on permissions

 

- Look out for the new "Policy Packages" feature on the teams admin console side blade. It can be used to quickly apply the "Secondary School" policy to 50 users. Much quicker than doing it through the user >> edit feature which can only do a maximum of 20 and takes much longer.

 

I'm 30% of the way through applying the correct policies to our students so they cant take control of powerpoints or launch whiteboards in lessons.

[ITGuyNW]

It would also seem that as part of the free educational licensing you can't do a Live Event?

 

Which in theory would solve the safeguarding issue of students on webcams?

 

Bit of a shame it's not part of the free Teams for Education.

That's what I found too.

[supportman]

So the Secondary Policy doesn't seem to have worked, does anyone know how to turn off the ability for students to take control of a powerpoint the teacher is presenting? Edited March 12, 2020 by supportman

[robyholmes]

So the Secondary Policy doesn't seem to have worked, does anyone know how to turn off the ability for students to take control of a powerpoint the teacher is presenting?

 

If you invite students they are 'Participants' rather than 'Attendees' which gives them more rights. So advise if students just click on 'Join Now' in the team chat. That's what we found anyway.

[Driftingashore]

Doesn't seem to be the case for us - the teacher still needs to right click them and make them a participant if they click "join" in the team chat. I saw a way online to make invitees to a scheduled meeting participants, but it was multi-stepped and I couldn't see anyone actually doing it rather than right clicking (not that I think that's a good solution either..)

 

[Edit] just found the process in my history - https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/roles-in-a-teams-meeting-c16fa7d0-1666-4dde-8686-0a0bfe16e019?ui=en-US&rs=en-GB&ad=GB

 

[Double Edit regarding Live Events]

 

To be able to create a live event, a person needs to have the following things. • An Office 365 Enterprise E1, E3, or E5 license or an Office 365 A3 or A5 license.

- source Edited March 12, 2020 by Driftingashore

[mullet_man]

I dont think thats correct, we are on the free tier and running live broadcasts all the time.

On calendar, if you click new meeting down arrow and choose Live Event, we get this error about licenses

[Driftingashore]

So the Secondary Policy doesn't seem to have worked, does anyone know how to turn off the ability for students to take control of a powerpoint the teacher is presenting?

 

Don't give up quite yet. I'm not sure if the policy package change will work or not (I only did it today), but I remember that when I changed the student policy to prevent them using chat and voice calling it took almost two days before the new policies came into effect, so it may just be a matter of time if we're lucky..

Edited March 12, 2020 by Driftingashore

[Driftingashore]

Just a thought, but for anyone that hasn't blown through it yet (I have.. ) you can get a 30 day trial of 25 licenses for Microsoft 365 A5 for Faculty in the admin centre -> Billing -> Purchase Services. Maybe something to keep up your sleeve if SHTF and the free licenses aren't cutting it. Another for A3 too, so that could cover you for at least two months (and my trial of A5 could be extended for a further 30 days, so it could be the same with A3). Edited March 12, 2020 by Driftingashore

[DrCheese]

Those annoyed with the default policies not being applied to students (Why Microsoft why!)

 

Use this

 

https://contosoedu.com/disable-private-chat-in-microsoft-teams-for-students/

 

Powershell loops through all users on a certain licensing profile (So all kids) and applies your custom policy

[3s-gtech]

I turned chat off in the default policy, then turn it back on for staff by policy. Far fewer of those to manage (and my experience of managing Teams with PowerShell is woeful - I can't get it to work well.

[CyBeRkId2002]

argh.... looking into teams over the past few days has been infuriating to say the least. Have now got policies locked down and assigned but still struggling with a couple of bits which are kind of crucial:

 

• If students join a class (either using a code, or we assign them as a student) they seem to automatically join live meetings as presenters, rather than attendees. This can't be right can it. Sure it is a setting I have missed but for the life of me I cannot find it!
  
• As a sanity check am I correct in thinking that you cannot set permissions on teams so "Only owners can post messages" in bulk or by default. This is something that has to be done individually on the team as it is created?
  
• Looking, if we go ahead, at syncing classes with Salamander. Does this support MFA?
  

[supportman]

• If students join a class (either using a code, or we assign them as a student) they seem to automatically join live meetings as presenters, rather than attendees. This can't be right can it. Sure it is a setting I have missed but for the life of me I cannot find it!
  

 

Yep this is the biggest issue we have as well, I think if you schedule the meeting students go in as attendees but its not ideal.

 

Seems like something that really needs fixing asap due to the amount of disruption a single student can cause.

[DrCheese]

Yea noticed this - You can only change them to attendees by going into the meeting options after (Not during!!) the scheduling of the meeting. Which is dumb. Or during the meeting itself (Staff are not going to do this for every child!)

 

Teams is great, but you can really tell that MS are crow-baring something that's designed for businesses first into an education setting.

[Driftingashore]

I'm going to test editing the Education (secondary School Student) -> Meeting Policy package to turn off "Powerpoint Sharing" and "Whiteboard" which are on by default in the package. Don't really know what the outcome will be, but I'm hoping that if they can't share, they can't take control from the teacher.. *shrug*

 

[Edit] Looks like it was wishful thinking. It does stop students from initially launching those apps without the teacher launching them first (they just don't show up in the share menu), but it doesn't affect their ability to take over Powerpoints / draw on Whiteboards.

Edited March 14, 2020 by Driftingashore

[supportman]

Skip to 7mins for Microsofts answer to the take control powerpoint issue, not ideal but it does work.

 

[SteveM555]

I may be missing something, but...

 

If a teacher uses 'Meet Now' - all participants are automatically connected with Video/Audio? Is there way of disabling this so that only the presenter can broadcast the audio/video?

 

I've set a test pupil the 'Secondary Education' policy and a test teacher account the 'Education (Teacher)' default policy and 'Disable IP Video' on the student, it either isn't working or hasn't applied yet