Guest Guest Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Windows 10 will run fine without UEFI, we've got 8 year old BIOS machines which work fine
3s-gtech Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Windows 10 tested on a Dell Inspiron 6200 from 2006 - ain’t no UEFI on that (and yes, it worked very well!)
Primus Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 @mavhc No problem with the licensing as we have an educational Licensing agreement with Microsoft so no cost there, apart from the licensing cost initially, its the workstations which will not run the UEFI which we would require if we were to migrate to the Windows 10 platform. The same for our Hyper-V servers as we have the licensing in place but its the hardware costs unfortunately. I have built the OS image and deployed on test machines to determine the build and the native applications which to be honest is very few as our workflows are cloud based, hence the scenario of moving to a one 2 one Chromebook platform. @Primus Wouldn't cover it I'm afraid. Yes it would - you must take all reasonable steps to ensure data security.
mavhc Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 It would be reasonable to spend money, if we were given any by the government, can't write a law then not give us money to make it happen
Primus Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 It would be reasonable to spend money, if we were given any by the government, can't write a law then not give us money to make it happen That isn't what the legal term "reasonable" means.
Duke5A Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Been on Win10 as a standard now for the last few years. Our ancient hardware seems to run OK with it. Teacher laptops before they were replaced last year ran LTSB, and now the new ones including the old student desktops run LTSC. The backbone of our desktop fleet are Optiplex 780 desktops with a few labs of 790s floating around. I got almost the entirety of the back end up to at least 2012R2 with lots of 2019. The thing that has be losing sleep is our hosted Exchange server. 2010 running on 2008R2. I'm trying to push us off into Google seeing as we already have a Google Apps domain all the students use and a good chunk of the staff. If not, I think I'm going to be standing up a new Exchange server before the end of the month. God I hate Exchange... - - - Updated - - - Been on Win10 as a standard now for the last few years. Our ancient hardware seems to run OK with it. Teacher laptops before they were replaced last year ran LTSB, and now the new ones including the old student desktops run LTSC. The backbone of our desktop fleet are Optiplex 780 desktops with a few labs of 790s floating around. I got almost the entirety of the back end up to at least 2012R2 with lots of 2019. The thing that has be losing sleep is our hosted Exchange server. 2010 running on 2008R2. I'm trying to push us off into Google seeing as we already have a Google Apps domain all the students use and a good chunk of the staff. If not, I think I'm going to be standing up a new Exchange server before the end of the month. God I hate Exchange...
3s-gtech Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Exchange got much, much better after 2010. 2013 was good, 2016 is better. 2019 is an unknown - I’d guess it’s great but I haven’t got the budget to find out! 1
mavhc Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 At least Windows 10 is free forever basically, pay once when you buy the hw. 60p for a student CAL isn't bad either. Office on the other hand? 2019 only has 7 years support? Lame, switching to Libreoffice. I don't see any reason to not switch to GSuite for email from Exchange, it's free for a start.
ITGURU Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 I still have around 500 + machines on windows 7. I wanted to upgrade many of them to windows 10 when a virus wiped out our system in the summer. Problem is at least 200 + are that old they won't work smoothly with windows 10. We have no money and governor's and SLT can't decide what to do next even though a plan has been given.What issues do you have for example? how old are the machines? we've got 10 year old quad cores running Windows 7 with either built in drivers or windows 7 drivers and no issues.
Djmonky1 Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Well its the same old story of no money with our school..... I wrote three case scenarios for my line manager and the Headteacher listing the pros and cons of: 1. Staying with Windows 7 pro for the next year. 2. Moving to windows 10 and upgrading the server platforms. 3. Move to one 2 one Chromebooks which would require very little configuration as long as the MIS was then migrated to a web based or hosted service. All scenarios had been costed down to the last penny. The SLT team and HT plus my line manager read them all and came back with this reply: The school is currently in deficit and therefore have no funds for upgrading the network unfortunately, we understand the security implications regarding Microsoft's "End of life" but we are willing to take that risk as we move into the new school build, thank you for your detailed reports. So with that in mind and the school asking for voluntary redundancy I of course jumped at the chance with both feet!! As you are all aware I now retire on March 6th with an unreduced Early Retirement package to boot...Happy Days!! :) Not my problem anymore.... :) Enjoy it I'm just starting my career path in IT (I'm turning 21 next week) so long way to go before i can retire 3 schools in our MAT will still be on 7 but they are getting upgraded as part of our refresh plan so won't be on 7 for long 1
DrBeaker Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Windows 10 will run fine without UEFI, we've got 8 year old BIOS machines which work fineYes I've got: 8-year old HP Compaq Elite 8200 units tested with running Windows 10. Had to downgrade the driver to get WoL to work. Legacy BIOS not UEFI 6-year old Dell Optiplex 3020 SFF I need to test with Windows 10. Currently on Windows 8.1 so can't imagine there's gonna be a problem. Has Legacy and UEFI BIOS options. Probably gonna keep Legacy BIOS option due to age of kit. New Dell SFF PCs with UEFI BIOS. Only these all have Windows 10. Upgrade and rebuild with Windows 10 is my goal this year.
Guest Guest Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Yes I've got: 8-year old HP Compaq Elite 8200 units tested with running Windows 10. Had to downgrade the driver to get WoL to work. Legacy BIOS not UEFI 6-year old Dell Optiplex 3020 SFF I need to test with Windows 10. Currently on Windows 8.1 so can't imagine there's gonna be a problem. Has Legacy and UEFI BIOS options. Probably gonna keep Legacy BIOS option due to age of kit. New Dell SFF PCs with UEFI BIOS. Only these all have Windows 10. Upgrade and rebuild with Windows 10 is my goal this year.We've got the exact same HPs
DrBeaker Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 We've got the exact same HPs Same problem with dust and noisy-as-heck DVD drives?
Guest Guest Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Dust yeah never used the dvd drives though
mavhc Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 I unplug the power cables from dvd drives, only thing they're used for is for kids to press eject and then try to jam them
DrBeaker Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 I unplug the power cables from dvd drives, only thing they're used for is for kids to press eject and then try to jam themThese ones are teacher stations, they use the DVD drive as the DVD player. The stock HP drive is very noise in some of them. We've had some new DELL units that have a small slimline DVD drive that are student stations. The kids have broken the drives before I've had a chance to disable them.
computer_expert Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Yes I've got: 8-year old HP Compaq Elite 8200 units tested with running Windows 10. Had to downgrade the driver to get WoL to work. Legacy BIOS not UEFI 6-year old Dell Optiplex 3020 SFF I need to test with Windows 10. Currently on Windows 8.1 so can't imagine there's gonna be a problem. Has Legacy and UEFI BIOS options. Probably gonna keep Legacy BIOS option due to age of kit. New Dell SFF PCs with UEFI BIOS. Only these all have Windows 10. Upgrade and rebuild with Windows 10 is my goal this year. 3020s work fine with UEFI/Secure boot & Win 10. The only ones I've had issues with are the older 390/3010 which had to stay on BIOS due to issues with PXE & UEFI
bodminman Posted January 12, 2020 Author Posted January 12, 2020 Win 10 shouldn't have higher requirements than Win 7 really. Windows 7 system requirements 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor* 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver. Windows 10 system requirements Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC. RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit. Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS. Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver. We tested a few win10 build with 4gb and they were painful to use. Stuck 8gb in them and we fine. After installing an SSD in to the mix they ran smoother than a cashmere jockstrap! I was finanly given a few grand over the Xmas holidays to upgrade as many machines as possible. Looking at £50 per machine for RAM and SSD then this will get 50% of our machines done over the next few weeks. Then I'll be working on extra cash to get base untils replaced for those that can't be upgraded. Good luck everyone! 1
bossman Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Yes it would - you must take all reasonable steps to ensure data security. I've been there with the HT and SLT and they have overridden this with a resounding "We don't have the money!" who am I to change their minds, I think this is very "reasonable" of me to accept what they are telling me. I leave in 34 working days so after that "It ain't my problem!"..... 1
Primus Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I've been there with the HT and SLT and they have overridden this with a resounding "We don't have the money!" who am I to change their minds, I think this is very "reasonable" of me to accept what they are telling me. I leave in 34 working days so after that "It ain't my problem!"..... Absolutely it's their problem not yours, however their decision not to update to a newer OS when their existing one stops getting security updates wouldn't be seen as reasonable. If they suffered a data breach this would be considered as an aggravating factor. I'm also assuming you have all this in writing from SLT? 1
DrBeaker Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I've been there with the HT and SLT and they have overridden this with a resounding "We don't have the money!" who am I to change their minds, I think this is very "reasonable" of me to accept what they are telling me. I leave in 34 working days so after that "It ain't my problem!"..... I agree. I've pointed this example out to staff before https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/05/ico_fines_former_headteacher_for_pupil_data_dump/ 1
bossman Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I'm also assuming you have all this in writing from SLT? You are correct in your assumption.... 1
PotNoodleTech Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 We tested a few win10 build with 4gb and they were painful to use. Stuck 8gb in them and we fine. After installing an SSD in to the mix they ran smoother than a cashmere jockstrap! I was finanly given a few grand over the Xmas holidays to upgrade as many machines as possible. Looking at £50 per machine for RAM and SSD then this will get 50% of our machines done over the next few weeks. Then I'll be working on extra cash to get base untils replaced for those that can't be upgraded. Good luck everyone! That's because the SSD makes 90% of the performance difference and the ram only 10%. IF i had a choice between 2GB with SSD or 8GB with HDD i'd go for the SSD one. My advice would be spend the money on SSDs first, expecially as they are so cheap at the moment, once all PCs have SSDs, then start looking at upgrading ram.
DrBeaker Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 That's because the SSD makes 90% of the performance difference and the ram only 10%. IF i had a choice between 2GB with SSD or 8GB with HDD i'd go for the SSD one. My advice would be spend the money on SSDs first, expecially as they are so cheap at the moment, once all PCs have SSDs, then start looking at upgrading ram. Problem I'm getting/worried about is most of the RAM for the units I've got seems to be pretty much going or gone end-of-life. Then I'll be stuck with PCs we can't afford to replace and can't get the parts to upgrade them either.
mavhc Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I'm running laptops with 2GB ram and SSDs on Win 10, trick is to use WDAV, not install another AV
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