happyclown11 Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Hi guys! I'm sorry if this isn't really the place to ask! I spoke to one of the IT guys at school who suggested posting on here! Basically I'm after some advice, in my spare time (when I finally get some!) I volunteer at a community radio station, we currently have 11 computers (all running XP pro without users i.e. you switch the computer on and off you go!) on a peer to peer network. There have been a few problems recently with people moving files and different settings been changed and somebody has suggested purchasing a dedicated server and running Small Business Server 2003. I just wondered a) how easy it was to set up and manage and b) I don't quite understand about CALs?! Any advice would be gratefully received!
bossman Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Depends on your budget as to what you can do, if Microsoft is the way you want to go forward. You may want to have a look at "Karoshi" server which will give you XP client facilities if money is questionable? Karoshi Linux - Home have fun and please don't hesitate to ask any questions however small you think they may be on this forum as members will be only too pleased to help.
happyclown11 Posted May 12, 2008 Author Posted May 12, 2008 Thanks for that, money is a slight issue, we're a registered charity and so obviously don't have unlimited funds!! The trustees are likely only going to go for a maximum of £1,500. For this they want to provide a "secure network" (this is coming from a group of trustees who still think floppy disks are the best thing since sliced bread!) I'm looking for something that will provide each member a username and password and allows them to have a unique home area which only them and administrators can access..... ....I hope this all makes sense! I'm an English teacher who seems to have a bit of IT knowledge and the station have snapped me up!! Thanks again guys
StewartKnight Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 run............. hide............. there's a teacher in our midst!
happyclown11 Posted May 12, 2008 Author Posted May 12, 2008 HaHa yeah I'm afraid so! But a friendly one who understands how annoying we are normally! Sorry!
Netman Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) Hi guys! I'm sorry if this isn't really the place to ask! I spoke to one of the IT guys at school who suggested posting on here! Basically I'm after some advice, in my spare time (when I finally get some!) I volunteer at a community radio station, we currently have 11 computers (all running XP pro without users i.e. you switch the computer on and off you go!) on a peer to peer network. There have been a few problems recently with people moving files and different settings been changed and somebody has suggested purchasing a dedicated server and running Small Business Server 2003. I just wondered a) how easy it was to set up and manage and b) I don't quite understand about CALs?! Any advice would be gratefully received! IIRC you're looking at around £500 for SBS 2003 which comes with 5 CALs and then another 5 CALs would be around £250. If you could drop from 11 to 10 that would probably be best as I think you can only get them in bundles of 5. That would leave you £750 for the hardware, which should be okay... just shout if you want more info... As for setup and use - should be pretty straight forward - buy a decent book on it and read up first is best... Edited May 12, 2008 by Netman
john Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Woha, first step, hate to say it but ignore the prices above, Education can get good pricing but I didn't realise myself but Charities can get amazing prices! Ycan get SBS 2003 can be got at OEM with a new Server for £299 (plus server cost) or as your a registered charity register with Home | Charity Technology Exchange (CTX) and meet there requirements and that will give you it for peanuts if you qualify! (they have alsorts of good stuff including high end Cisco stuff and Cisco Managed Wifi ). I've registered a few local charitys, churches and I know my local community radio station has been accepted as I've used the software they have got via it for them. Windows XP is £4 a go and SBS 2003 Premium with 5 Cals and Software Assurance is £34, Office 2007 Pro is £10. Additional User or Device Cals (in 5 packs) are £10 per pack, and again include software assurance.
witch Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Where are you? Perhaps one of us is near enough, and kind enough, to give you a hand!
happyclown11 Posted May 12, 2008 Author Posted May 12, 2008 wow thanks John...will have a look into that! We're based in Wiltshire, halfway between Bath and Salisbury
K.C.Leblanc Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Microsoft have a free download called steady state that can be used to restrict access to control panel etc.
cookie_monster Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 I can't believe how much less charity licences are compared to education, but yeh i'd look into that if i was you.
apearce Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Small Business Server is really easy to set up - loads of wizards to set you up on the internet, create users (with email) and create shares for you. I can't remember if you get Outlook for free as well in Release 2 - you did in Release 1. Charity's do get a lot of money off and you should do some research with suppliers. SBS was the easist thing I ever installed and supported!
john Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Yes you get Outlook licences as part of your SBS CALs and I'd agree with the simple setup, a child could do it. Obviously those prices i showed are only avalable via that scheme and IF you meet the requirements on the program and they approve your order. Its rather limited as you can only place 2 orders in 2 years and only up to a max of 50 seats at a time etc (its a complex web designed to confuse I think!!!) but if your accepted I'd just do a big order all at once and the worse they do is reject it or say split it. I'd also at those prices maybe add a couple of spares on if you have the possibility of expanding with the limitation on gaining new licences.
happyclown11 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Posted June 24, 2008 Ok Ladies & Gents, I'm back again I'm afraid! Thank-you all for your wonderful advice! I have managed to purchase a copy of SBS 2003 along with apropriate CALs etc through the charity scheme (loads of money off!!) We were also donated a brand new server with a 160GB hard drive and now has come the time to start the installation! I'm having problems with this where by I get so (just past the first screen really) and then receive: A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdown etc etc! Tech details: STOP: 0x00000007b (0xF789EA94, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) Am I doing something really wrong?!?! Many Many Thanks!
maniac Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 Sounds like a problem with your disk setup or RAID/SATA drivers on the server to me, the 0xF789EA94 error is quite often related to the disk system. As it's a brand new server, the manufacturer should be able to provide some support over the phone, most will happily help you get supported operating systems functioning on their hardware, particularly as it's occured right out the box. I'd suggest giving them a call, they will be able to provide more specific advice relating to the model of server you have. Mike.
RabbieBurns Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 IVe just noticed this thread. Our school is registered with charitable status, with a registered charity number. Would we qualify for the charity costing of Licenses??
maniac Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 IVe just noticed this thread. Our school is registered with charitable status, with a registered charity number. Would we qualify for the charity costing of Licenses?? Afraid not, most eligibility criteria in organisations like Microsoft and Cisco etc. have a getout clause included for Educational premises. E.g this is the blurb from microsoft. * The following types of organisations are NOT eligible to receive Microsoft donations through this programme: * Private Foundations * Governmental organisations or agencies including international governmental organisations and United Nations Entities * Educational Institutions – organisations eligible through Microsoft academic volume licensing programs are not eligible for software donations, including nonprofit private schools. . . . . . etc. Mike.
RabbieBurns Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 Ah cheers, thought it would be to good to be true ;p
acrobson Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 HappyClown11 - Out of interest, have you received any kind of system recovery\re-installation disc with the new server? It may be worth giving that a try if you’re keen to get it set up etc, especially as you have not yet set up/configured anything yet. Keep us updated on progress!
john Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 What make and model is the server? AS has been said I'd go for with RAID / Disk setup being an issue or lack of drivers / iffy drivers in the SBS 2003 Disk.
happyclown11 Posted July 20, 2008 Author Posted July 20, 2008 Right...You guys must really hate me now but I promise this will be that last one....for now!! I've finally got SBS 2003 installed and set up etc etc however I've now come to the stage of creating users. This is all easily done following the wizard etc. What I want to be able to do now is set the users up so that they do NOT have access to C:\ on the workstation and only have access to their own folders (which I was going to map to H:) and other folders I give them access to. Apparently I need to do this in logon script? is this right? if so is it easy to do and if not...what DO i need to do it in?! Thank you SO much everyone....you're just too darn good at it!
markwilliamson2001 Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 I have never used SBS 2003, but if it is anything like Standard or Enterprise edition, then you can easily lock down the C: drive for a particular set of users using Active Directory. You will need to setup an organisational unit (OU) (or basically a 'special' folder in active directory with the restricted users within it). I would keep one adminstator user seperate from this organisational unit/folder. You can then add a group policy object (GPO) on this folder where you can setup (though special settings) to stop them gaining access to the C:\ Drive. You can also do loads of other things that lock down xp clients using just one GPO, including rolling out software, logon scripts, startup scripts etc etc etc, as well as mapping printers!! I can find out what the GPO setting is if you like for the C: drive tommorow morning as I am at work (can't remember what it is off the top of my head). This by using GPO, you can affect hundreds of users at the click of a button. (usefull stuff in a school with 2000 users!). HTH Mark
john Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 This is more to help our regulars with SBS than direct help to you happyclown, Treat SBS as just like Server 2003 Standard. GPOs apply as normal, are made as normal etc. Only difference is that the GPO Manager Console is installed by default unlike on 2003.
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