Mr_Jiminy Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 I'm now inclined to think that Indy car designers have the best looking design with their windscreen concept. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=IndyCar+windscreen+test+photos&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtpKa8i7TZAhVsLcAKHSQfBXYQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=747#imgrc=Py_eDQq_Ehf4iM: The Indy car windscreen looks far better than the F1 windscreen and a million times better than the halo.
Norphy Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 But surely it's not about having the best looking solution, it's about having the safest solution. The halo looks like it would be very effective at stopping a wheel from hitting a driver's head because it makes the driver quite enclosed. The windshield on the Indycar looks like it leaves a MASSIVE gap between the edge of the screen and the back of the cockpit. The halo might look stupid but it looks to be the more effective safety device from my (admittedly completely unqualified and limited) point of view. 1
just_david Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Its an over reaction to a non issue. Both recent deaths resulted from people not following other rules. Not because of a lack of head protection. Get rid of both - or do away with the open cockpit formula completely.
sted Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 id also guess that both make getting in and out of the car harder which might cause more issues if the cars burning for example the extra time taken to get past a big screen / halo may be an issue and id also imagine if someone needs cutting from the car (like billy monger did) it would be more of a hindrance than a help (and if it can be easily removed in those cases how is it going to stop anything
synaesthesia Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Halo. Purely because as much as everyone says omg the windscreen is better... it's untested and as many have already said, there's no way it is anywhere *close* to offering the same level of protection of the unfortunately bugly Halo. What good is the Indy windscreen if it can't protect the driver from a bug splat let alone driving at 150mph into a JCB.
ICTDirect_Dave Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Its an over reaction to a non issue. Both recent deaths resulted from people not following other rules. Not because of a lack of head protection. Get rid of both - or do away with the open cockpit formula completely. What about the spring that smashed into Felipe Massa's head? Freak accident, but could have been avoided with some protection. id also guess that both make getting in and out of the car harder which might cause more issues if the cars burning for example the extra time taken to get past a big screen / halo may be an issue and id also imagine if someone needs cutting from the car (like billy monger did) it would be more of a hindrance than a help (and if it can be easily removed in those cases how is it going to stop anything I'd imagine that the Halo system will have an internal and external quick-release system like the steering wheel. Something that the driver or the Marshalls can remove in a couple of seconds. Might be harder to do this with a windscreen though.What about the spring that smashed into Felipe Massa's head? Freak accident, but could have been avoided with some protection.
Mr_Jiminy Posted February 20, 2018 Author Posted February 20, 2018 Is neither an option? My sentiments exactly. Also with Dave re the Felipe Massa spring incident. I also think that all racers went into the motorsport sectors knowing of the dangers posed. What next - full protective bubble boy style protection for gp and superbike series riders?! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+stig+in+a+dodgem&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWrvbipLTZAhWLAMAKHXrmDc0Q_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=747#imgrc=zxJ5Q5W_2xf5-M:
just_david Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 What about the spring that smashed into Felipe Massa's head? Freak accident, but could have been avoided with some protection. You mean, like, his helmet? That he wore? That did protect him? A halo wouldn't of prevented that either, a screen may of, but if thats the route to go down we may as well abandon the open cockpit formula (not something I'm actually against, look how fast lmp1 is)
ICTDirect_Dave Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 My sentiments exactly. Also with Dave re the Felipe Massa spring incident. I also think that all racers went into the motorsport sectors knowing of the dangers posed. What next - full protective bubble boy style protection for gp and superbike series riders?! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+stig+in+a+dodgem&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWrvbipLTZAhWLAMAKHXrmDc0Q_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=747#imgrc=zxJ5Q5W_2xf5-M: You mean, like, his helmet? That he wore? That did protect him? A halo wouldn't of prevented that either, a screen may of, but if thats the route to go down we may as well abandon the open cockpit formula (not something I'm actually against, look how fast lmp1 is) The helmet saved his life for sure, but what's the problem in adding another layer of protection? Odds are that a halo would've deflected said spring, or at least absorbed enough of the energy that it wouldn't have penetrated his helmet and fractured his skull. If the cars are just as fast and a halo or other cockpit protection concept adds an extra degree of protection, even if the aesthetics of the cars are slightly compromised, then I see no problem with the idea.
bald_pig Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 My sentiments exactly. Also with Dave re the Felipe Massa spring incident. I also think that all racers went into the motorsport sectors knowing of the dangers posed. What next - full protective bubble boy style protection for gp and superbike series riders?! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+stig+in+a+dodgem&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWrvbipLTZAhWLAMAKHXrmDc0Q_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=747#imgrc=zxJ5Q5W_2xf5-M: The idea of the C1 SBK does tickle me a bit though! http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BMW_C1_laterale.jpg
tg12 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 Its an over reaction to a non issue. Both recent deaths resulted from people not following other rules. Not because of a lack of head protection. Get rid of both - or do away with the open cockpit formula completely. It doesn't matter the cause of the accident, the point is stopping the outcome. Halo wasn't introduced because of the deaths of Jules Bianchi and Maria De Villota, and I don't know if Halo would have saved them but I am sure it would have helped. However, believing it's a non-issue is a complete fallacy. I can name 3 deaths in the past 10 years due to head injuries from being struck by debris or impacts where the head is at risk, which is what Halo is designed to prevent. First was Henry Surtees, back in the Formula 2 championship in 2009 after being struck on the head by a wheel at Brands Hatch. Second, Dan Wheldon in IndyCar in 2011, having his head crushed into the fence pole at speed. Then Justin Wilson, also in IndyCar in 2015, was killed by a rogue car part drifting over the circuit and catching him on the head We only have to look at the close calls we've had in F1 in recent years where cars have skimmed over the low noses of other cars scarily close to drivers' heads to realise that there is a serious issue that needs addressing. 1
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