Gongalong Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 A shame they don't distribute the ISOs via BitTorrent or some other mechanism. You still need the key to use it anyway (legitimately), and hacked versions will no doubt appear irrespective. Particularly if they can't get their own licensing centre to work!
DrCheese Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I just assigned myself a technet license & downloaded Enterprise via that :/ Annoying.
Gongalong Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Apologies if this has been discussed before, but presumably Education is the version to use? I see keys for Education, Enterprise LTSB, and Pro. Current Branch seems to be the logical version to use, and if they're not providing Enterprise CB then presumably it's got to be Education.
jertsy Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Funnily enough I was just reading about the difference with education and enterprise. I'm not sure I want the new features automatically being rolled out with the education version. I need to read up a bit more on it though before I decide.
PR-UK Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I downloaded Windows 10 Enterprise off our licensing site yesterday, installed expecting not to get Edge browser but there it is, can't activate the Enterprise version though as I don't have a key for it, even though we have keys for Windows 7 Enterprise and 8.1 Enterprise. I do have a key for the Enterprise LTSB version but while some articles suggest the LTSB will be like Windows of old and only receive bug fixes etc, other articles suggest LTSB is for restricted installs where compatibility with old software is key and shouldn't be your first choice. I've got an Education key but MS have explained nothing about it other than it's aimed for education, why would I use this over Enterprise?
Gongalong Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Education's basically the same as Enterprise, with no LTSB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart Perhaps they wanted to have different SKUs to prevent piracy or summint. 1
Gongalong Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 And if anyone fancies uploading the Education ISO somewhere, then feel free :-)
PR-UK Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Rang up MS and spoke to the licensing people, turns out we should have had Windows 10 Enterprise but it wasn't allocated, he allocated it and generated a KMS key and also generated a KMS key for "Windows Srv 2012R2 DataCtr/Std KMS for Windows 10" which allowed us to add it to our 2012R2 KMS server, a quick log off and back on and ADBA activated the client.
Gongalong Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 We have a MAK key for Enterprise LTSB, but not for CB oddly. But still no ISOs.
PR-UK Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 We were the same, had a MAK key for LTSB but not for CB Enterprise. When I first spoke to MS they tried to say that because we were a school we only got the Education edition, I pointed out we'd had 7/8/8.1 Enterprise and he had the LTSB version of 10 so why not the normal version to. He went off to check and confirmed we should have CB Enterprise as well. 1
mullet_man Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 We are licensed via EES. We have Windows 10 MAK keys, no KMS. We also have no Windows 10 downloads as yet. We activate via KMS also so hopefully they both download and keys will show up soon. We are not in any great hurry at the minute.
Tefters Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Evening all, Long time reader, very infrequent poster (if only I had the time...). I'm posting this as a warning to all Education Volume License users in the hope they don't waste the same amount of time and effort I have, I'm only taking the time to post this from home out of anger against Microsoft. Now to the point:- If you are currently using an Enterprise version of Windows whether it's 7, 8 or 8.1 then use Enterprise NOT Education. I'm a build enthusiast and have just spent the last 2 days editing x86 and x64 Education Windows 10 WIM's, removing all the provisioned Appx packages and what not and then trying to deploy them out as task sequence Windows 10 upgrades with no success. Upon losing my rag with the lack of code coming back in my SMSTS log I proceeded to just walk ISO's on a USB HDD over to some test machines and surprise surprise when trying to run the in-place setup upgrade from a Win 10 Edu ISO on Enterprise 7 and 8.1 machines there was no option to retain apps and it was going to do a full clean install and at best retain settings. Low and behold I use a Win 10 Ent ISO and the upgrade and retain Apps option is there. You can only upgrade previous Pro versions to Education not Enterprise, previous Enterprise can only upgrade to 10 Enterprise or you have to use a traditional wipe and load method. You are licensed to use Enterprise as part of your OVS-ESS agreement and strongly recommend you stick with Enterprise, Education edition is a farce! I have emailed a few Microsoft consultants from a Windows 10 tech event I went to a few weeks ago as when I asked about this exact scenario they all seemed unsure and then turned around in consensus and said yes upgrading previous Enterprise to Education was supported even though I was still skeptical so am hoping they will now proceed to speak to the U.S. and get a proper answer and statement online regarding this! Here are some screenshots for proof:- https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=697E035583340A21!2351&authkey=!AGvE6nzL57gPwis&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng Andy (A very angry deployment specialist having wasted 2 days) Edited August 4, 2015 by Tefters Added link to upgrade pics 1
dblight Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) You can only upgrade previous Pro versions to Education not Enterprise, previous Enterprise can only upgrade to 10 Enterprise or you have to use a traditional wipe and load method. Am I missing something here? In our environment nothing gets upgraded. Each machine is flattened and reimaged via SCCM. I sort of assumed most educational environments do the same using whatever imaging product they use? This then leaves the issue of what version can upgrade to what irrelevant? Seeing lots of posts about Enterprise VS Education. What concerns me at the moment is Microsoft have created an Education version for some reason. Either it's full potential hasn't been released yet or its for licensing reasons? Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot every time with just little snippets of information. I've seen information about Enterprise not installing all the cr*p apps like news, Xbox and maps etc etc. Education seems too. That's annoying as we don't want that included! It was a pita with 8. One thing worrying me is this LTSB difference I don't fully grasp it at the moment as I haven't looked into it but I know for sure if I deploy 10 I don't want it being upgraded whenever MS decides. We make that decision as a team. Otherwise it leads to inconsistency with what's on what around the sites..... Need to read more into this I think? Edited August 4, 2015 by dblight
PR-UK Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 My Enterprise install is tied to our WSUS server and it got no updates until I told it to use the Online version. I think the LTSB version is really just a 'stable release', at the moment Windows 10 comes with the Edge browser which is nice and snappy but it's pretty featureless, MS have said they'll be adding features to it over the next few months like add-in support. I expect they'll be adding other functionality over time to, great for consumers but a headache for sysadmins who have to keep testing these changes, so the LTSB version is a stable release you can test your stuff against and if it works now it'll keep working in the future. Then at a certain point MS will release an updated LTSB version which you can test again and roll out. Good idea, if only MS were a bit more forthcoming with information!
IanT Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Understanding the Long Term Servicing Branch and Current Branch in Windows 10 | Windows 10 content from Windows IT Pro 1
Tefters Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 @dblight How to upgrade to Windows 10 using the task sequence in System Center 2012 R2 Configuration Manager - System Center Configuration Manager Team Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs The purpose of the upgrade is to have having to go around and PXE boot your environment and re-install your apps as you would with a usual wipe and clean, take SIMS as a great example thanks to the new Solus3 client that has to be installed via the Solus3 deployment GUI for every machine and cannot be deployed as a package/application in a build task sequence whereas with an in place upgrade ( tested and working enterprise to enterprise ) the Solus3 agent still works and no need to redeploy from the Solus3 GUI. The part I'm trying to get at is that Microsoft stood right in front of me at a regular event and said Education version is the way forward for us and that later down the line Enterprise will probably be retired from OVS for us. The difference in version is only LTSB and that is designed for critical services such as Medical and Traffic Control that can't upgrade without causing potential physical harm which I fully agree with as I still see people running 2003 and XP which is just facepalm. Microsofts main problem is they have not made a clear and bold statement to the Education sector on why there is this new version, what its true intention is for, why we should use it over Enterprise and its upgrade paths. All they've done is chuck the name Education on as a version, put it in a version list online, state its for schools with no other information, say it's free to upgrade to from Pro if you have a VL agreement (der! because VL currently give us Education and Enterprise as we pay for the subscription) and market it out like they have closely worked with schools to provide the perfect build which they haven't because I still have to hack the WIM to death to remove provisioned apps such as Bing, Zune, Xbox and all the other stupid metro apps that MS think education want that no school ever said "you know what, I really want those apps for our kids to abuse with Microsoft accounts"
dblight Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I agree with some and see your point. With the lack of information it's hard to make an informed decision. I question whether MS even wanted schools to roll out this year with the launch date being weeks into the summer holidays couple that now with the lack of info. Certainly we nor anyone else seems to have been canvassed, individually or as a collective about what's wanted/needed. The Metro apps are the first to go on any build I create. Why they have been included in Education is beyond me. But rushing at this stage and saying Enterprise is the way forward I don't think is very helpful. Some people may take that as Education is no good. Go and install it everywhere and then bang low and behold Microsoft release something that's for the Education version only...... Stranger things have happened
Tefters Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Microsoft have touted that they wanted schools to roll out to Windows 10 this summer to showcase the new OS that's why a technical event was hosted in Reading 2 weeks ago on open invitation to people who were up for it, problem was they had no more info then what was readily available on the Internet. Ive just heard back from a Windows deployment consultant direct at MS in the U.S. :- Hi Andy, Thanks, just threw it out to a room of 60 Win 10 deployment people and its meant to work! I’ll see if I can lab this up later and I’ve also pinged the course leader to see where this might be going wrong. ----- They've promised me an answer on the OS upgrade front in the next 24 hours and will have me more information on the Windows 10 Educatuon version by end of week as to what is the roadmap plan or whether it's a simple SKU filler. Will update when I have anything worth while. 1
dblight Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I too have mailed a few MS contacts at MS Reading. Don't know if I'll get any answers but will update with anything that comes back.
dblight Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) To save further hijacking of this thread about Education vs Enterprise I've create a new thread with a response from Microsoft http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-10/157650-windows-10-education-vs-enterprise-response-ms.html Edited August 4, 2015 by dblight
Wubbalubbadub Posted August 4, 2015 Author Posted August 4, 2015 My windows 10 still doesn't show as available to download. Keys are there but no download
Tefters Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Call this number 0800 917 9016, option 2 and then 2 again, give them contract number and tell them, they will sort it. Make sure you tell them you want both KMS and MAC for 10 enterprise, pro and education as well as the Server 2012 for Windows 10 KMS key 1
Wubbalubbadub Posted August 4, 2015 Author Posted August 4, 2015 Do we know when the group policy will be released!?
Tefters Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Just copy the group policy definitions from %system% on a client install of 10 to your central group policy store in Sysvol, aka Google " copy GP windows 7 to Sysvol" for a dummy guide 1
dblight Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Do we know when the group policy will be released!? The new policies are stored in C:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions on Windows 10. If you copy that folder to the server they will show in GPO's. A word of warning though MS has borked a few file names as described here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3077013 you can rename it though to get around the issue. All described in this link. 1
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