Gibbo Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 So is standing next to a bonfire.... Just sayin' Depends what's being burnt doesn't it?
witch Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 The key difference between smoking and rugby is I don't walk into a pub or other public place and get hit full on by a flying French quarterback. Devil's advocate says that if that French quarterback is injured in the UK, he will be taking up NHS time and money that your taxes have paid for and potentially preventing you getting some treatment
pcstru Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 The key difference between smoking and rugby is I don't walk into a pub or other public place and get hit full on by a flying French quarterback. But you might get hit by a coach full of rugby fans on their way to a match - something that would not have happened without us tolerating rugby. It is almost impossible to do anything without the possibility of it having an impact on others.
mthomas08 Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 The only way we are ever going to fix this is with regulation, education and understanding. " education and understanding" Completely disagree, this excuse has been used far too often for far too many problems in todays society. We educate so many people in todays world about the health damages yet people don't quit smoking because of it. So many issues from driving, sexual health, pregnancy and general day to day life and the excuse always is "Better Education". I quit smoking because of the cost, I know more people that too have quit because of it. Others sadly (I know 3) who have quit because they started to have severe health issues. One was told he had a matter of years to live if he didn't.... I do not know 1 single person who has quit as a result of education, advise from the doctors, TV adverts, Pictures on the packets, packets being hidden locked out of sight - its all gimmicks. People will choose to do something regardless of their health, it takes a punch in the face (excuse the pun) for people to quit or that every day thing called "Money".
Garacesh Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 " education and understanding" Completely disagree, this excuse has been used far too often for far too many problems in todays society. We educate so many people in todays world about the health damages yet people don't quit smoking because of it. So many issues from driving, sexual health, pregnancy and general day to day life and the excuse always is "Better Education". I quit smoking because of the cost, I know more people that too have quit because of it. Others sadly (I know 3) who have quit because they started to have severe health issues. One was told he had a matter of years to live if he didn't.... I do not know 1 single person who has quit as a result of education, advise from the doctors, TV adverts, Pictures on the packets, packets being hidden locked out of sight - its all gimmicks. People will choose to do something regardless of their health, it takes a punch in the face (excuse the pun) for people to quit or that every day thing called "Money". Same here. First time I quit smoking because money. Second time was same again, money. Really shouldn't have started again, but did anyway. Third time I quit, which is the most recent (about a month before Christmas), now that I'm working, money for smokes isn't really an issue. Know why I quit? Spending Christmas with my Mum. Grandfather died of lung cancer. Didn't want her to find out I'd started smoking again. Knew how upset it would make her. Didn't give a proverbial poop about my health any of the 3 times.
pcstru Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) A lethal dose of Nicotine to a human can range from a minimum of 500mg. Your average cigarette contains 0.8mg of Nicotine. The LD50 is given as 0.5-1.0 mg/kg for Adult Humans. I'm around 80 Kg so that is 40-80mg for me to have a 50% chance of surviving the encounter. Some survive much higher estimated doses, sure. Some less. The lethal dose is not pegged at a minimum and certainly not 500mg. Effects other than death include coma, strokes and heart attacks. To quote the document I linked to - "Nicotine is one of the most toxic of all poisons and has a rapid onset of action". It really is one of the most poisonous substances around. Edited February 13, 2015 by pcstru
pcstru Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Didn't give a proverbial poop about my health any of the 3 times. Perhaps you gave up for the wrong reasons.
Arthur Posted February 14, 2015 Author Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) People will choose to do something regardless of their health, it takes a punch in the face (excuse the pun) for people to quit or that every day thing called "Money". Some parts of the world have significantly worse punishments than a punch in the face. How many smokers would stop if it meant keeping their head? ISIS beheads cigarette smokers: Islamic State deems smoking 'slow suicide' under Sharia law The Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria has long imposed a strict ban on alcohol, cursing, smoking and other acts deemed haram, or sinful. But it seems smoking may be the vice that's most offensive to ISIS, considering the severed head of an ISIS official that was reportedly found last month in eastern Syria with a cigarette in its mouth. “This is not permissible, Sheikh,” a note attached to the nearby corpse read in Arabic, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday. While cigarettes are allowed under Islam, the terror group’s severe interpretation of Sharia law declares smoking as a “slow suicide” and thus forbidden in ISIS-controlled areas. The Islamic State -- formerly known as ISIS or ISIL -- began imposing radical restrictions last year after overtaking large areas in eastern Syria’s Deir Elzur province, which is adjacent to another stronghold and the group’s de facto capital of Raqqa. ISIS imposed the full-face veil for women and banned music as well as the sale of cigarettes and hookah pipes, noting the “financial and health damages” from smoking Edited February 14, 2015 by Arthur
Garacesh Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 In their eyes, yes. Huehuehue I was tempted to reply with something like that. But I chose not to
Earthling Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Some parts of the world have significantly worse punishments than a punch in the face. How many smokers would stop if it meant keeping their head? ISIS beheads cigarette smokers: Islamic State deems smoking 'slow suicide' under Sharia law So let me get this straight......the punishment for ('slow') suicide is death? That makes sense. In someone else's universe, but not in mine. 1
Garacesh Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 So let me get this straight......the punishment for ('slow') suicide is death? That makes sense. In someone else's universe, but not in mine. If you disobey the laws set down by the Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him), you are not worthy of life. I expect that's how they would justify themselves.
pcstru Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 So let me get this straight......the punishment for ('slow') suicide is death? That makes sense. In someone else's universe, but not in mine. When the Christian church was burning heretics, I think the logic was along the lines of "They are going to hell anyway but in the meantime they won't be corrupting others". Theology can justify pretty much anything, so even that came with a backstop of "Hey, even if we are wrong, we have only sent them to heaven earlier - they will thank us for bringing them together with god sooner than otherwise." 2
mthomas08 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 So let me get this straight......the punishment for ('slow') suicide is death? That makes sense. In someone else's universe, but not in mine. ISIS at the moment don't make sense what so ever. They are not fighting for their freedom or even their own beliefs, it's all rather pathetic. Thing that winds me up though is if their military grew as big as the Nazis did the world would have no choice but to get involved. BUT because it's yet again more trouble in the Middle East they are all worried about their own political agendas. Sooner or later the world will have to acknowledge the fact that ISIS are a serious threat to the freedoms of todays society. Our Country wont get heavily involved till we get our own terrorist incident. I absolutely hate Reacting instead of Acting.
Sdrawkcab Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 ISIS at the moment don't make sense what so ever. They are not fighting for their freedom or even their own beliefs, it's all rather pathetic. Thing that winds me up though is if their military grew as big as the Nazis did the world would have no choice but to get involved. BUT because it's yet again more trouble in the Middle East they are all worried about their own political agendas. Sooner or later the world will have to acknowledge the fact that ISIS are a serious threat to the freedoms of todays society. Our Country wont get heavily involved till we get our own terrorist incident. I absolutely hate Reacting instead of Acting. Yeah, bomb 'em all, right? And then bomb the people who attend their funerals. And then bomb their children, we don't want them getting radicalised as well! Bombing fixes things and definitely didn't cause groups like ISIS to form in the first place.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now