Biometric registration

[SpuffMonkey]

Hi

 

Dose anyone have any experience using a biometric (fingerprint) registration system with their MIS system (preferably CMIS).

 

We would like to investigate it - but are finding it difficult to find anyone with prior experience in the field.

 

Thanks

[PhilNeal]

Be prepared for a parental backlash!

[gwendes]

run away...

[Domino]

hahahahahahahahaha

 

 

ahem...

 

it'll be slow, unwieldy, unreliable and as noted will be unpopular.

 

apart from that its a great idea

[torledo]

hahahahahahahahaha

 

 

ahem...

 

it'll be slow, unwieldy, unreliable and as noted will be unpopular.

 

apart from that its a great idea

 

And that's only if you or your supplier can get the damn thing to work with your MIS in the first place.

[Guest richard]

run away...

 

Then find the deepest hole you can, jump into it and then fill it in.............

[GrumbleDook]

Hi

 

Dose anyone have any experience using a biometric (fingerprint) registration system with their MIS system (preferably CMIS).

 

We would like to investigate it - but are finding it difficult to find anyone with prior experience in the field.

 

Thanks

 

Don't forget to search the ICT Register too.

[stephenleak]

Be prepared for a parental backlash!

 

And sn*t on the readers.

[Guest richard]

We have a biometric reader for our library software and when it does work, about 5% of the time I end up having to clean off all sorts of bodily secretions off it.

[alan-d]

I've just been asked about this very subject to cover the library, entrances to the school, a cashless canteen, and registration.

 

Biometrics in schools do not contain details of the whole fingerprint but works by taking measurements of the print which is supposed to stop the fingerprint being reconstructed.

 

Parents that object could be offered the use of smartcards instead and all biometric data should be destroyed when the student leaves the school.

 

Thats about all the info I have but I believe BECTA have a guidline for the subject.

[Bromcom_John]

We experimented with Fingerprint readers back in the day too.. Have to agree with Phil about the parental backlash and everyone else about the high maintenance level..

For some reason that no-one can explain the readers get very very dirty very very quickly Go figure!

[djm968]

One of my friends works for this company.

 

http://www.bannerbridge.co.uk/biometrics/index.asp

 

I like this idea?

 

http://www.bannerbridge.co.uk/biometrics/productdetail.asp?action=added&id=1066

[zag]

We trialled it, it didn't work 100% of the time.

 

In my opinion its a very very bad idea usually pushed through by people who don't understand the technology.

[mickey_g]

We use Facility CMIS here and are in the process of installing 4 Biometric scanners for 6th Form registration and to replace our late book. We currently us eportal for our registration and the installers are tailoring the system to enable us to use both methods. It is not being used yet as I'm taking a lot of time writing the consent letter to keep the parents on-side so I can't comment on the reliability but the scanners look almost bomb proof.

 

Not sure if I'm allowed to post the Suppliers details so apologies if I'm not, but the company I deal with is A2Z Computer Products and the sales guy is Peter Hueck 01509 633569

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

[ama178]

Has anyone got more upto date info on this topic since its last post in 2007.

 

I am looking to see if a Biometric solution would work for registration in PE and need more information.

 

Is anyone currently using this type of solution successfully with Facility CMIS?

[glennda]

I know there was a thing about a BSF school doing - i don't think it worked very well!

 

We now have just purchased the groupcall emerge app for Sims for the PE staff to take registers in the field.

[robk]

We use Facility CMIS here and are in the process of installing 4 Biometric scanners for 6th Form registration and to replace our late book. We currently us eportal for our registration and the installers are tailoring the system to enable us to use both methods. It is not being used yet as I'm taking a lot of time writing the consent letter to keep the parents on-side so I can't comment on the reliability but the scanners look almost bomb proof.

 

Not sure if I'm allowed to post the Suppliers details so apologies if I'm not, but the company I deal with is A2Z Computer Products and the sales guy is Peter Hueck 01509 633569

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

 

I know A2Z have gone bust, but live register is actually produced by a different company which is still available. PM for contact details if required.

 

I have not used Live register, but it looked interesting.

[ama178]

I have already had a look at Emerge for CMIS/e-portal, the problem is the api will not suport all the register codes that we use. Groupcall are trying to find a work around but at the moment if the code does not exist the register for the student is over written.

 

Biometrics seems like a clever solution but I have to adnit i am having problems finding schools that have implemented it successfully.

[glennda]

I forgot to mention - we use Biometric's to sign sixth form students in/out of the building. It doesn't tie to sims but might work with CMIS

 

Its made by Cunninghams.

[vikpaw]

We're using Emerge for PE, still waiting on full site wide wireless before we draw any conclusions.

If the API doesn't do what it needs, surely that's something for CMIS to fix..

I don't know about schools using registration, but i've heard of quite a few schools using fingerprints for the library, and it seems to work well there and is now pretty quick. It might be worth looking at other systems where the tech is utilised.

I think the company NEDAP do biometrics, for attendance and other things such as locker access.

[ama178]

Vikpaw I agree the API is somthing that CMIS should fix, and from what they were saying at the Progresso launch event i went to last week they have. But i doubt the changes in the new system will filter into the older API.

 

We too have got a biometric scanner for the library and have had one for the last 4 years. It works absolutely fine, is robust, quick and easy to use and is one of the reasons that i am keen to explore the technology in other areas.

[vikpaw]

Well Nedap are listed as a capita partner so is good for sims. I don't know about CMIS though, you'd have to check it out. Will you not move to Progresso?

[ama178]

Yes but we wont be looking at the move till at least January 2013, That give the software time to have its main bugs ironed out, Allows Serco to publish the modules that will be missing from the initial release and finally this will be the time that the self hosted solution will also be available.

 

Basically I think we will be taking up release 2.....

[john]

Have you asked Serco who they support for this kind of stuff? They have a list of partners who do various bits so could be able to help you?

 

As for Progresso, I cannot wait should start the migration in January fingers crossed and be ready for September which will be great, its an amazing looking product and everything I have seen and spoken to is agreeing with me that its great so very much looking forward to it.

[michael2k6]

Nice to hear people talking about Progresso. I might start a Progresso thread actually for some feedback... feel free John.

 

As for the OP, if you give your account manager a call, they'll give you a list of partners that might be able to help.

I could be completely wrong about this, but from memory, the API uses the same calls as ePortal, so if you can see the codes in ePortal, you can get them out of the API. If Groupcall is only looking for a set list, then groupcall need to change it, if indeed it doesn't export custom lists in the first place, then this is a change request at our end.

 

In terms of Progresso, you won't necessarily need the API because they can just use a phone on 3g out on the field.

 

Also, while you're looking at costs for third party software, consider the alternative cost of having wifi span the fields / halls etc. It might be that you can do that just as cheaply although that starts a whole different conversation about tablets etc.

 

The last thing for me to say is that the API in Progresso will not affect the current API. The products are completely seperate and this is why the API functionality change would be a change request at present.

 

Mic @ Serco

 

 

Please note,

All posts are my own personal opinion and not necessarily those of my employers or others who I work with or represent

Mic